Do you believe in Christ? Do you consider yourself a Christian? Do you celebrate Christmas? (1132 views, 57 replies)
Neither my sister or I were ever christened or baptized, we are not Christians.My sister likes nature and science.I explored different philosophies and religions,and only came to the conclusion,it does not matter what or who I think God or the Afterlife is.--its going to happen no matter what i think.(although i do have some theories.)
i also have a keyboard fouling up.--I need to fined my newer one.
@clarachan1355 Nature & animals are a part of God, He created everything and said it was Good! :)
I would not call myself a Christian per-say as I see many Christians as false followers
I call my self a follower of the path of Christ, I try my best to live a good glean life only wanting to bring glory and honor to God and don't expect to go to heaven or even care if I do or not *certainly won't turn it down but not expecting anything of it*
I do believe there was a chilled-out guy called Jesus who had some great ideas on how society could get along without killing each other. I think he started the KISS method of teaching and marketing (Keep It Simple Stupid) and it seemed to have caught on. The message got out through good word-of-mouth marketing, strong willed disciples and a conversion of a Roman Emperor to the faith.
Were the miracles important for him to get the message across to basically illiterate followers - I suppose a bit of magic comes in handy. People remember a show.
Was he the Son of God - I believe he had God inside him, just as everyone has their own god inside each of them.
Mass religion was created to control the masses and give them something to worship when the other gods of the Greek and Roman Empire lost their shine. It was a way to try and keep the peace but put power into the hands of some very evil and dangerous men who considered themselves to be above the law of the land, to be touched by the One True God and caused the deaths of innumerable innocent men, women and children all over the globe, in the name of this God.
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@---BOX--- INTERESTING! Food for thought. Thanks! Raised Christian but a philosopher. Dont know if i agree with you but I dont disagree. Ima have to give you a THUMBS UP!
@SexyLipps Thanks for the thumbs up.
It is only a simple opinion but it helps me to keep things simple and keep it personal.
Doesn't get me involved in questions of dogma and imposing my beliefs onto others.
The way I look at it is.. If you choose to be a non believer and he does exist..you go to hell. So why take that chance? We all are going die at some point.. so where is the benefit of not believing? We came from something. Is it more realistic to believe it was a big explosion (bang)of gases? If that were true, the gases had to come from something living. Nothing just appears from nothing..nothing is nothing.
@laurie621 That's my take on it too. People like to say that if God can be an accident...we can be an accident. But intelligence can't be an accident. Our existence would be like flipping a coin, and getting heads every time...for BILLIONS of years...no exceptions. Never a tail. There is order in the universe, but the Universe TENDS towards DISORDER. The second law of thermodynamics. God has always had to exist. As impossible as it sounds..SOMETHING always had to exist...the big bang was MADE out of something. Sometging CAUSED it. Even when WE create somethging...we try to do it intelligently, or give it intelligence. The situation that you described at the beginning, is called Pascal's wager. Nothing to lose. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s...
@bondojoe, thanks for the reply. Im just a common sense kind of gal and to me it's reasonable to believe in a creator. Everyone believes in something by faith...even if it's to believe we came from nothing. IMHO, that would take ALOT of faith.
I do believe in God and the Son and the holy ghost. If my faith turns out to be just something to believe in. Then I still feel I will be alright. What is the worst that can happen? I have taught my children to be kind respectful and to be worker bees. I have, and have instilled in them a love of all others. They are following to the letter. They don't drink excessively and they put their children first in life. We all seem to be happy. We are not perfect by a long shot. It seems to work for us.
@fortunate1 Nicely said. And it shows your worth as a human being, and one of God's children.
@bondojoe If you'd like to hear my take but, here it is.
Christ was a savior. In a way that he made a WHOLE lotta, pretty much, in the dust folks, realize the Romans were oppressive. Which they were. There's no bones about that...
..I'm gonna skip to Grand Design though. time constraints.. i don't feel like typing anymore.
3rd part...
Yay!!! Christmas. You'd have to be some kind of F'in communist to not like that.
I believe in God & always have since I was a wee girl as I was raised that way & he knows we are just humans made of weak flesh but wants us to strive to be Christ like and keep fighting & better ourselves. He said it won't be easy as the world will hate us as they Hated his Son. He loves us and wants us to talk/pray to him, build a relationship, and through this your belief becomes even stronger. I'm a Christian!
The world is very evil these days, But he said in the end days, it will be just like it was in Sodom and Gomorrah. (Just popped in my mind!)
@manditoe How far can we possibly be from sodom and gomarrh? imo it's at our door! Most young people having been brought up in this mess can't see the writing on the wall like older folk having come up in a sane safe world. For that reason alone I do not begrudge my age. I'm so grateful for easily being able to see things as they truly are.
@laurie621 Is that the same sane world that had 2 world wars and brought hell to earth in the form of nuclear bombs?
@Egor17 I should have said environment or town or country, instead of world. There have always been bloody wars but the people by and large kept their crazy behind close doors and if you were outside your home you were safe..you could go to bed with the doors unlocked..people always did. BTW, I grew up during the vietnam war. The sixties brought in, in your face, drugs and immorality. But it's taken this long for it to totally corrupt.
@laurie621 World was correct. There were no comparisons kept before. The only real difference is in the numbers. World population and violent death. The US out right wins that.
Where I grew up I don't remember seeing a key to the door, Unless it was being painted and Do Not Touch sign was posted. Then the key would be in the door. Just incase.
So you don't mind locking up the 'crazy' Even though you can not keep them?
History.
The UK tried it in the 16-17 hundreds. Total fail.
Do you honestly think drugs and immorality started in the sixties? With America?
@Egor17 Of course not.. I said "IN YOUR FACE" Once it was given permission it became ordinary. People use to know it was unacceptable and wrong and tried to keep it secret or not to do it at all. During my parents day is when it really started.. in the early days of tv and movies.. What I meant by crazy is the people that beat, raped or neglected their kids for instance. They didn't do it outside the family unit. It was a secret and it was behind closed doors. Once it came out and was talked about all the time in books tv and movies made about it..it was every where and kids started getting abducted.. and women were getting raped and murdered..all perversity became rampant. It wasn't anything new but it most certainly was a rarity.
I am going to decorate fir Christmas and exchange gifts with people. I am Wiccan, I beleive in a Goddess.
@Xanthe199 Good for you. Grow a tree near that you can decorate each year. Knowing it'll be better next year as the tree grows.
As I see it there is ample proof that Jesus did exist. Nothing more.
But remember the bible was written over a 2 hundred year period by different authors. Then a few centuries of rewrites by the powerful. Not to mention the interpretation problems from language to language to language to language. One thing you can be sure of, it was NOT written in english.
Just watch a movie in a foreign language with rubbish subs.
All of the stories about him that have been uncoverted in different places, at different times, [dead sea scrollls] are about the same. "Parts of the New Testament have been preserved in more manuscripts than any other ancient work. There are over 5,800 complete or fragmented Greek manuscripts, 10,000 Latin manuscripts and 9,300 manuscripts in various other ancient languages, such as Syriac, Slavic, Gothic, Ethiopic, Coptic and Armenian."...All about the same.
I was born and raised a Roman Catholic.
Yes, I celebrate Christmas.
Yes, I believe in Christ.
I also celebrate with other faiths and their "holidays" as my family is a melting pot of different cultures, races, religious beliefs and are global.
growing up we were taught to love and respect all religions and people. That's what I have always done and will continue to do.
Our beliefs and relationship with God (or however else other's refer to almighty) is personal and does not define anyone.
At the end of the day , what matters most is how well you treat others and all living creatures.
We must first learn to love our own true self or we will fail to love others, including God.
No matter what we choose to believe in or if we chose to believe in nothing, at the end of the day we are all equals.
Judge less and love more!
I have no time for religion. I'm an atheist . Christmas is NOT a Christian " invention ". But gosh darn it I love Christmas. It's a time of year when people tend to be nicer, I love giving gifts ( and getting them 😊) the Christmas markets, get togethers, happy children, making food and decorations. These are things everyone can be a part of regardless of religion or lack of. I know plenty of people of various religious persuasions that celebrate it for those reasons. Christmas is pretty much it's own thing
Here...let me help you..."According to an article entitled simply Christmas, found on Wikipedia, the word “Christmas” actually comes from the term “Christ’s mass“, which originated from the Old English phrase “Cristesmæsse” which was first recorded in 1038. In approximately 1131, it was replaced by the word “Cristes-messe“. "Christmas is an annual festival commemorating the birth of Jesus Christ, observed primarily on December 25 as a religious and cultural celebration among billions of people around the world. A feast central to the Christian liturgical year, it is preceded by the season of Advent or the Nativity Fast and initiates the season of Christmastide, which historically in the West lasts twelve days and culminates on Twelfth Night; in some traditions, Christmastide includes an octave. Christmas Day is a public holiday in many of the world's nations, is celebrated religiously by a majority of Christians, as well as culturally by many non-Christians, and forms an integral part of the holiday season centered around it."...Wikipedis. ...
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Etymology
"Christmas" is a shortened form of "Christ's mass". It is derived from the Middle English Cristemasse, which is from Old English Crīstesmæsse, a phrase first recorded in 1038[9] followed by the word Cristes-messe in 1131.[32] Crīst (genitive Crīstes) is from Greek Khrīstos (Χριστός), a translation of Hebrew Māšîaḥ (מָשִׁיחַ), "Messiah", meaning "anointed";[33][34] and mæsse is from Latin missa, the celebration of the Eucharist.
The form Christenmas was also historically used, but is now considered archaic and dialectal;[35] it derives from Middle English Cristenmasse, literally "Christian mass".[36] Xmas is an abbreviation of Christmas found particularly in print, based on the initial letter chi (Χ) in Greek Khrīstos (Χριστός), "Christ", though numerous style guides discourage its use;[37] it has precedent in Middle English Χρ̄es masse (where "Χρ̄" is an abbreviation for Χριστός).[36]...or to a layman...the celebration of the Messiah. ...
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I believe in keeping and passing down traditions. Some of my family are Christians, others are Jews and I find a comfortable loophole that allows me space there too... even if technically I would be considered an atheist. I'm just not a shallow minded and pretentious anti-theist.
Still, there are parts of religion that are parts of my heritage, my family, my friends, my broader communities. So, I take part in a variety of festivities.
I put my faith in people as it's the harder thing to do. But I enjoy the rituals of religion and what it means to others. Just as I enjoy the various holidays of the season, festivus too.
@woofmeister You seem like an intelligent person. I have to wonder how you get around a creator. Do you believe that life is a continuous happpy accident? That intelligence is not required for order, or organization...and it's continuation? Tell me your thoughts, if you like.
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