detouring bay aarea water to not flow into ocean, is big mistake, says califorian: (893 views, 3 replies)

OK I have to state this; you know that water stream that Trump will not let flow into the ocean??I just talked to a relative who lives there and knows WHY THAT SALTY WATER GETS TURNED INTO THE OCEAN.--USUALLY.

USUALLY, THAT stream of wateer washes all the salt water out of the wetlands,all the bay land, takes it, put the salt water BACK INTO THE 8CEAN.---it washes all the salt water out of the bay area, so all their land there does not die from salt flow--

this is a bad thing,accordingg to this gardening person, the wet lands need to have that fflow of water, wash the salt out of bay area inlets and land--IT WORKS TO PUT THE SALT BACK INTO THE OCEAN--out of the whole bay .

-this person says, the big agribusinesses are getting Trump to devert all the waters instead to their big private farms,where they grow mass food ect for huge grocers--and they ruin the land.--these huge farms dont care how they ruin all that land with chemicals.-

-we got big agribusiness stealing all the water for Trump's friends.THESE HUGE FARMS are the agribusiness causing "global weather ruining all our land"--
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so this time Trump is wrong, and the soil conservationists are right--there is no Santa Claus and no God,and no justice--and ultimately these huge farms don't care if they use huge pesticides(which is how they grow food)all the food they make will have lots of pestisides and chemicals in all of it--and we will all eat it.

Happy Birthday and Merry Xmas to all our food grown in farms of pesticides,which now has all the fresh water in the bay area--all that wet lands and bay land will die from salt accumulation.THIS is the other side of the story.

I really don't look forward to eating any of that food.but I am on a high fat high sugar high carb diet to commit early death.--with high fat cheese,butter,and sugar.i am getting "pre-diabetes" any way, i'm going to stop eating.-and throw up a lot too..its true, my TESTS are saying i have early diabetes glucose tests.--so i persONally do not give a sh*t about nature any more.

HUMANS ARE NOT PART OF NATURE.NEITHER AM I. THE END.
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Well that was quite a mundane rant. Afraid it only gets a 1/5 on the Rant scale. Bit of practice and I'm sure you will do better.

As far as dairy products with out fat goes. It's not butter, cream or cheese. It's recycled plastics. Well tastes like it.
We humans are part of nature. We get eaten by the same bacteria as the rest when dead.

Love your diet. Mackers but hold the green. Personally I like real meat, not the mackers plastic pattie. Mostly forgo the greens in favour of pickles. Real meat is stuff you buy from the butcher that blood is still oozing from. Even though the mackers buns are classified as cake because of their sugar content, still doesn't beat a good chunk of chocolate and cream sponge cake. With custard.

Apart from that bit of fun.
I agree that diverting water flows can be really bad. Mostly when it comes to tidal regions. If you don't have the salt harvest infra structure in place first. Basically every thing will die before the biology adapted takes hold. There are heaps of thing that live in a high salt environment. Just not many edible to us.

You live west of the Rockies. That area is under faster change than most. Being the whole range of the Rockies and Andes are the same fault line.
... East of the Rockies of took a few decades for farmers to realise their mistakes. Trying to extract too much too quick. And a change in rain which was cyclic. Then 'Dust Bowl' effect. Only took three such events for the farmers to learn.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl
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Well, I didn't really mean to rant--

I just realize we all get conflicting news from different viewpoints-

-but if you like the job yer politician has been doing,then you talk to someone who lives right there, and has to deal with the real land and water problem, you realize this is not so easy to have an opinion--I do not have research that tells me, "Trump did the right thing."

But I know this conservationist is very smart and well informed.--and has horticulture and such background. So she knows what she is talking about.

HOWEVER--these are 2 different viewpoints.the conservationists want the water for the land of the bay--and the big farms want the water to raise food.

Thus, how do you figure out WHO is correct?Does it legally belong to the bay and their people, or does it legally belong to the big farms who need water? Maybe because the bay people HAVE BEEN using the water all the time,to wash out the salt,to the sea---they have the right of way.

But the other opinion is these are big non-organic food farms that need to feed people,and it goes to big supermarkets.I and my friends cannot afford real organic foods so we usually go to the big monster markets to buy food.--Believe me,I have TRIED to raise food here, like we used to, and the LAND would need to be tilled, turned over,and fertilized.I tried gardening again,i have a purple thumb.--but this land is worn out,frisking with insects,and banana slugs.--my next door neighbor has a nice vegetable garden, bless her,--I( don't know how she does it.
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This is VERY difficult,.Food is not so easy to raise--we always worked our heads off raising the food here.NOW we have NOT been having rain again.Oregon used to be so WET--NOW we have to pray for rain.--not having enough rain is killing a lot of farmers here now.(the ice pack in the mountains must form,so it can drip down here for growth.)

What are some of our forums' members' opinions?I am stuck,I know the bay people NEED the water badly--but also those big farmers have to feed a lot of big supermarkets--we can't afford the hand-farmed organic, farmer's market.I would starve trying to buy it.

but the bay people had the water first--and their land and bay would dry up,kill everything with salt water, THEY need all that water too!!HOW do you balance who's needs of nature, are the right ones?I knew this type of warring over water would come.--just not so soon.--Oregon farmers used to bust,break the pipes that hauled all the water to California.--they were sick of "The Golden State" hogging all the limited amt. of it.. I am suspending my opinion, I really can't say one is wrong, and one is right any more.--just that, I don't feel i can judge them. Maybe other people have clearer opinions than me. thank you.
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