What are Your Thoughts on "BABY IT'S COLD OUTSIDE" being banned by Radio Stations? Do you find it offensive? What other Classic Christmas Songs should or will be banned next? (2730 views, 124 replies)
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I am not convinced that's the solution.
Instead, it may just be the problem.
Ignoring it could be why these things are happening?
;)
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Single radio stations have removed it from playlists. It has not been banned. Radio stations are private businesses and can play what they want, when they want. It is a creepy song. Not creepy like elf on a shelf.
It crossed my mind the other day that 'Funky Cold Medina' is creepy in that way and much more blatant, but it is rarely on the radio, especially not 6x a day during the holidays.
@Xanthe199 Oh, for heaven's sake, it's a dance number in a romantic comedy where two people are falling in love, it used to be considered flirtatious banter. After they finish dancing they look into each others eyes, kiss a little and he sees her home. People with ugly minds will always find ugliness in the most innocent places. Tells me everything I need to know about them.
@Xanthe199 THAN YOU you haved to ban "She's a very KINKy girl(??)the kind you don't take home to mother--"once you getter off the street!"
@Xanthe199 I am sure the PC #metoo sensitive soccer moms and all those whiners could find something "offensive" in literally every song ever created and now what kind of world would it be then if we continue with censoring everything due to a minority of wet blankets.
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I suspect they'll ban teletubbies next due to tinky-winky reinforcing negative stereotypes of crossdressers
@Mykee83 Actually, I'm really offended that Wile E. Coyote's solution to not catching Road Runner is to blow himself up; they're clearly advocating suicide!! lolololol
@ HAH HAH YES,there's hints of sex and Capitalism there, PC PEOPLE,you "peoples' Republic of China and Russia know that.
WE DON'T let you listen or read,or talk to forbidden free-thinkers for your own good!
(Just remember the "Council of Control" is just saving you from radical ideas.)ESPECIALLY ON XMAS which was the unspecified birthday of uncertified no-claSS unknown ancient person whom we don't think is important.
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I think it is just going too far, the song is what about 75 years old.... Listen to some of the words and sayings in Rap, music, People are taking offense to everything, next it will be you can't say Ho,Ho,Ho, because it offends hookers, lol!!!
@Rescue Dog Mama Spot on. It's absurd. They meant nothing even close to why it's been banned. People need to stop looking for something to complain about. Dean Martin, who wrote the song, was known as "The King of Cool" for his seemingly effortless charisma and self-assurance. It was a different era, not at all like today. He was being the persona he had developed in his films and his stage performances. Next they'll ban Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis films as inappropriate. It's so ridiculous I think I'll blast it from my speakers at home. lol
@Rescue Dog Mama SO what can we do to the "PC POLICE?"I REFUSE TO SHUT UP!!I hate living in Oregon,I can't even wear perfume here any where,so i never go any where this town is offensive to me!
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO,is say "SCREW ALL YOU VERY OFFENDED PEOPLE, I WILL oFFEND YOU AS MUCH AS I fffing LIKE--CAUSE they forgot to kill you all off in the last war we had.--that should be accomplished.
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@SoylentBrown "Good King Wencheslas Looked out"which is one of my favorite but refers to non -socialist bad rulers of decadent dictators we don't approve of.But--
its my liberal democrat state that is so P.C.,AND tyrannical, its not a republican state.Republicans don't care,its LIBERALS who can't stand inappropriate, dangerous language,which is not allowed!
JUST LOVE THAT SOCIALIST DEMOCRAT NOT-THINK!WOW FREE-DUMB IS THE WORD!
@clarachan1355 Oh wait, I do like the punk version of Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer by Cheech and Chong.
@SoylentBrown and the adam sandler one - happy Han-na-na-na-ka smoke your mariju-an-ana or something like that :D
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I have no problem with stations banning any song they like, to avoid controversy. "Blue Christmas" was banned for the same reason. They had every right to fire the idiot who broke that rule back then.
Yes, banning might be silly, but radio stations run on the same principle as any other business, and if they lose listeners, they lose advertisers and eventually, no radio station. Better to take a pass, for now, until one day (hopefully) sanity will be restored.
If not, you can always watch "Elf" one of the hundreds of times it'll be on this season, which features the song prominently, being sung by Zooey Deschanel (and Will Ferrel) while she's in the shower, and again while the credits roll (with Leon Redbone www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d-4aOi3...
Or just play Pandora's and Spotify's random Christmas tunes, where it played for us several times the other day, while we were putting up decorations. It's not going away any time soon; enjoy it as much as you like.
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@TRCIII Update: Sanity IS being restored, in some cases. In many places where the radio stations announced the ban, public outcry to restore the song outweighed the ban requests by as much as 10-to-1. Almost all of them have put the song back in rotation, by overwhelming listener request. Which is how the market is supposed to work: radio stations, playing what the majority of their listeners want.
@TRCIII OK, you PC PEOPLE,do you know,there is a popular tv ad-song that often talks about "cute-little kids' butts?"--all the time?I just noticed the damn thing.DO SOMETHHING ABOUT THAT ONE.
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Think we all can agree on one thing, in years (very near) to come, things are going to get a lot worse. :(
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KRAMPUS RULES
Krampus Comes and you should worry
Fa la la la laaa la la la la
Deck your kids with fists of fury
Fa la la la laaa la la la la
I feel like people are reading too much into Krampus"coming" and making it about sexuality when this is just a good old fashioned Holiday child abuse/abduction song 
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I don't believe that radio stations should ban this song, because I think that there exist a paradox between how modern humans with today's social beliefs interpret the social ongoings of the past. All over youtube, you can archival films from the 40s and 50s, where they discussed men and women social etiquette that people today would find very offensive, although they were common place at the time.
To me, the song suggest that the woman wanted to stay over with her boyfriend, but was afraid of what her family would think about her. Perhaps at the time, it wasn't socially accepted that a women would stay over her boyfriend's place, in the belief of that an unmarried woman stating over at men's homes would create a belief of the woman some kind of "slut". Perhaps as well, the man and the woman wanted to spend time together, cuddling by the fire, drinking wine and listening to music, but this social belief at the time created an internal conflict within her as to either conform to social norms, or to be her own her women and make her own choices.
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Can't erase history. I think it's ridiculous. If you don't like the song, switch stations! I don't like violent songs, I don't listen to them. Very simple. I don't see the song "grandma got run over by a reindeer" being banned. I don't see "I like big butts" being banned....I think you all get my meaning. Merry Christmas! Screw happy holidays!
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I don't think Bill Cosby or Bill Clinton or the many millions of other people, listened to this song prior to being disgusting pigs. i don't feel this song causes people to do what they did. Loose screws don't become loose in less than 5 minutes listening to this song. The sickness had already been in place. Hopefully, the people who offend will get the same in return. I call it "bubba justice".
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why don’t they just get a new guy to sing the guy part and update it could be a new number one ?
@🧚🏻♀️PinkTinker or we can just keep the Christmas classic as is and the minority who wish to ban it can just ignore it like every other normal person who does not like a song they here - which is everyone. ;)
@3UN01A I'll sing,"Oh,baby,don't go!!/BABY its COLD OUTSIDE!!"HUBBA HUBBA!!--and mean it!!hah hah!!--but my voice is really gone.darn!!"Everything is goin'!"you realize,the older we get,the less we get offended by sex?(unless its kids with toilet paper)--cause we usually haven't seen any since the last 3 decades?--& we forget what it really IS??
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Whatever makes it so I don't have to hear it anymore is great by me, I always hated that song. It is a bad year to hate it though because everyone is all up in arms defending it's honor even though it's always been mediocre at best. 
I get that even with as skeevy as it sounds, it wasn't actually meant to be understood that way, but the fact I get that doesn't make me feel any less gross when I hear it so, yeah.
@spinnerwolf There are a few Christmas songs that I can't stand to hear but I can just turn them off if it's o the radio. The one about the kid's shoes or mother's shoes.. ugh the worst lol
@3UN01A Yeah case and point though, you can't dislike it this year without everyone telling you what you have to do because of that. I know I can turn it off unless i'm in a store, I know. I never argued it should be banned just that I hate the stupid thing and whether or not it was the initial intention it comes off rapey as sh*t. Until this year I never heard it because no one cared about it, it's such a sh*tty song no one cared either way.
@spinnerwolf It's also highly annoying when everywhere you go, there's non-stop X-Mas tunes for over a month before X-Mas. That part is what I dislike the most. It would be nice if we all embraced other's beliefs and traditions the same way we do X-Mas. IMO of course.
@spinnerwolf --SINCE HE IS TRYING TO seduce HER,ITS NOT RAPE.Seduction is when you get the subject's juices going, just by talk,"persuasion",NOT ANYTHING ELSE.--yer tryin' to convince her.--seduction still is not considered rape.
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Really scraping the barrel to come up with this bit of "news fluff" to deflect from some serious problems that are happening in the USA and the world in general.
Typical right wing, Opus Dei puritanists who have very little to worry about if this is all they can talk about. Really need to get out and about and see the people that are living on the streets in your towns and cities. Get your representatives to do something about that. Get a life stop reinventing meanings to 60+ year old songs. Honestly!
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I feel like Baby It's Cold Outside is not nearly as terrifying as that one song from that Christmas Claymation Special "Santa Claus is Coming to Town"...remember that one song he sings to the children about if they sit on his lap he will give them toys in exchange for kisses 
If you sit on my lap today
A kiss a toy is the price you'll pay
When you tell me what you wish for
In a whisper
Be prepared to pay
I mean Come On Son, look at the kids' faces before he lures them onto his lap with the promise of toys
WAY more terrifying than Baby It's Cold Outside.
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Not for nothing, but I remember stories told by my Gramma, about how "wild" my Great Gramma was in the 20's lol. They wore those flapper dresses, smoked pot (yes even back than) went to these dancing places, that "good girls" shouldn't go to, so things were not so innocent even back than. I still think all the publicity about this song is ridiculous .. listen or do not listen to whatever you want
@Rescue Dog Mama That claymation thing looks bad, weird..ugh!!
--Yes,THEY DIDN'T CALL IT HE "rOARING 20'S"FOR NOTHIN.it was ended by the "Depressing 30's."--which went into "The Warring 40's."We literally went from the Depression,into WW2.
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Yous have to be joking. Banning anything just makes it more desirable. That is fact.
Tell any child "Don't do that" "Because I said so".
Sure as the earth spins and the sun does not come up. They will be trying it at earliest possible time.
Only in America could a simple song like 'Baby its cold outside' be banned? Well from what I read it's just one stupid radio station. And like most US news, they love to make a typhoon in a tea cup.
Rescue Dog Mama. Have you ever looked at what was in a care package for front line first world war fighters? Bought freely from any chemist. Cocaine, Heroine, chocolate and tobacco. It wasn't until the late 20's these became listed drugs. Laudanum, opium in solution was still available for long after. All these thing were freely available to any one with a couple of pennies.
With the world war the supplies were low and the government had to step in to ensure military and hospital supplies.
Then as with ALL governments. Once they got their grubby paws on something, Never want to let go.
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@Egor17 they got that in WW1?Well,pain-killers & liquid-nerves were not illegal,yer right.My dad said he took (illegal drug now,but was used then for sea-sickness)"bennies"(?)cause he got so sea sick.Then,you could just buy it for that.I am 71,so he got that as a young adult. (works math in head)
TOLERANCE is greatly under-rated. I am secretly pretty liberal, but not politically now.--but tolerance is very easy on the guilt-reflexes.--I tolerate others,so I need to be tolerant of myself.I always saw that song as romantic and kidding.--funny.:)
@Egor17 yes, ban it and its instantly popular!!BANNING ROCK&ROLL sure made them rich!!--banning Elvis's hips,so funny!!My fave Elvis movie is "Jail House Rock".--so bad!! :)
@Egor17 I was told there used to be cocaine in Coke at one time. (Hence the name).
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Television? That still exists? If so, surly they have some parental control stuff on it.
Yes I can watch any content, be it porn or open heart surgery at any time day or night.
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The last time I looked at free to air TV. It was 60% adds for stuff I didn't want. 30% shows I had no interest in. 5% news that was old or propaganda. The last bit ambivalent. Certainly not worth waiting weeks at a time for the next bit.
@Egor17 yes,tv is so much worse now,they dumped all the writers who did those fun westerns(and violent)of the 60's.METV is usually free,and has shows on its site.ALL OLD.COMET TV has all old sci-fi movies,fun!--I would try their website also.
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There is a huge difference between banning something and not showing it on your station.
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Ye something like that. Though it was a long time ago. Now I can't be bothered to count them as the TV is dead.
The UK still has the cheek to charge a license fee for owning one.
I remember a time in the UK when there were 3 channels.
BBC 1 - News and other junk
BBC 2 - Educational. Open University and the like.
ITV - A mix of all sorts.
Back to the subject of censorship.
Mary Whitehouse was the go to girl to get something banned in the UK. What a stuck up no imagination prig she was.
She would have banned 'Tom and Jerry' as being far to violent. Think she may have tried.
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People can watch whatever they like...but I think most of it leads to mental, and emotional problems. America's crime rate can be directly tied to the invention of the television, and violent content, and video games. What's the average IQ? Most people are not intelligent enough to discen that what they see on video, is not an acceptable way to live. Most people learn how to LIVE , by watching tv. How to act, what to do, and what they can get away with. It's a great training tool for future sociopaths. If it was up to me, I'd blow ALL of them up...and let people learn life the old fashioned way...by reading...and from other people. Learn life by living it...... "While there isn’t complete consensus in any scientific field, a study conducted showed more than 90% of pediatricians and about two-thirds of media researchers surveyed agreed that violent video games increase aggression in children."
(Bushman, 2016)
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The song is just a reminder of a time when that kind of sexist attitude was considered normal. I don't think anyone should ban any song, book, or album. Just choose not to listen to it. A radio station choosing not to play a song is not "banning" it. Banning is a governmental action.
Way too much overreaction on both sides of this.
“If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea offensive or disagreeable.”
- Thurgood Marshall
@SoylentBrown ----AHA!SO all this "only politically correct" junk is too anti-American free speech. 
You are so right,and that is why P.C. is so awful.It is one of the most TOTALITARIAN dictatorship-of-free speech, the coming of Nazi Germany again. 
.--You don't dare NOT APPROVE of the Liberal Agenda!--or they try to destroy you 
.ugh. 
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@GalacticPirate ---why we can't just chill?cause we have the Left,P.C."thought police"in America.--which would be nice to kill off, before the left kills all the rest of us off.
@clarachan1355 if you want to kill them off first how does that make you any different morally? you people are all crazy.
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The problem a few of the vocal minority do is take the song out of it's context instead of simply taking the time to understand the cultural context it was written in and instead assuming it was written with the modern day cultural context in mind. They also want to be offended by just about anything they can get their hands on to be offended about to push whatever agenda they are pushing.
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As SYFY writer Robert Hienlien wrote: "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity"
@Flickfan oops, Heinlien wrote sci-fi about f**king his mom(yes i read it)and that was a long time ago.and he got it published.--but he was a good writer.
I still like stupid Woody Allen's' first movies the best.--i have trouble completely condemning a New Yorker,cause if he still lives there,HES MOSTLY HURTING HIMSELF.--NOT ME.
@clarachan1355 I took the AMtrac from Rhode Island to Penn Station to visit a friend and my first impression of NYC when we left the station was the ungodly stench. Man the air was foul. That and trying to dodge all the panhandlers.
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I loved Heinlien. Time Enough for Love was one of his best. His first books were kinda silly like when these kids neighbor builds a rocketship in his backyard and they find a Secret Nazi Base on the dark side of the Moon. But they were great when I was a kid. He also wrote a lot about twisted sex for that time
@Flickfan His sci-fi raised all sorts of questions about sexuality and morality, well ahead of his time. "Stranger in a Strange Land"--an objective look at societal morés from the viewpoint of someone who was raised by another race of beings. "All You Zombies", about a person who created himself, by seducing and impregnating himself, due to being intersex and manipulating time travel. "I Will Fear No Evil", about an old, straight man whose brain is transplanted into a young, attractive, female body...and is led to question the nature of sexual attraction, and how much body or mind control your viewpoint and physical abilities. "Friday" led you to evaluate the "personhood" of clones...and of course, there's Dora, who is an artificial intelligence, but who also later becomes installed in a "real" body, leading you to question the nature of sentience, long before we talked of the singularity or transcendence.
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@3UN01A Sadly, most of them are only books. Sorry to interject those on a movie site, but the topic was Heinlein, and most of his stuff has never been made into movies. (Too controversial? Not enough action?) Whatever the reason, he was a great writer, but the only time I've ever seen them make his books into movies ("Puppet Masters", "Starship Troopers") they've botched it badly. Like most Stephen King movies they used to try to interpret. So, I've always been a little grateful they've never tried for the really good stuff.
In any case, sorry you won't find most of those books adapted to the screen on the movie site.
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Does anybody Remember The PRMC led by Senator Brady's Wife trying to get censorship labels on Rock Albums? Sieg Heil! Frank Zappa and Dee Snyder testified at the Congressional Hearings.
@Flickfan Oh yeah. Tipper Gore was in on that too. Now we need censorship labels on politicians.
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And that my friends..is why I tune it ALL out. Everything is now topsy turvy and it's totally and completely useless trying to make sense of it all... so why try?? It's gone on too long and too far to turn it around now.. so.. my song is by The Beatles - Let It Be [1970]
@laurie621 You tune completely out at your own risk. But I feel where you're coming from. I just avoided the "bad news" for years. But now, I get informed from a "neutral" news source (my preferred source is "The Skimm") and ignore any of the "wildly biased" sources, and the controversy they provoke. I find this a useful tool to separate the wheat from the chaff: pbs.twimg.com/media/DmSTiKbUYAA4... If the source doesn't come from within the green box, I basically discount it. Doesn't mean I won't have "fun" poking the badger, but I don't take them seriously.
@TRCIII I don't understand what you mean by putting myself at risk.. What would it matter if I could figure out who might be getting the truth out there and who is lying and manipulating? Things are spinning out of control and too far gone to recoup. I always kept myself informed as much as possible and tried to vote responsibly.. I worked and paid taxes and raised my kids the best I could and they became well educated hard working responsible citizens. I personally believe with all my heart we are in the very last days and it is fruitless to watch and concern myself with worldly nuisances .. it's just a diversion from reality.
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@laurie621 you are trying to say that you've always been a hard working responsible member of the USA.I agree,but if you just throw up your hands,and declare"I DON'T GET IT,so i refuse to try & figure it out!"--then you aren't taking mental and citizen-responsibility.
--I know people who have friends,activities,hobbies and friends in their clubs,and they refuse to even read what is going on in Europe.Sweden,England,France.They are AFRAID to know what's going on in the world.--When I ask,"What do you think of what's going on,in Sweden?" They just say,they never watch that,and don't wanta know what's going on in the world.--These are intelligent people! but they are afraid of reality.--so they just say,"I won't listen,I'm not going to!"
It is something that happens in many societies--because many citizens do not want to THINK.HAVING TO THINK is the duty of an American.You can't pull that"I don't care,i'm not involved!"cuz if you do that in USA, you lose your freedom!
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@clarachan1355 I'm trying to get across that it's too late for all that... it's gone too far. You think I don't understand but I do.. Why try to fix what you cannot fix.. Why fret about what you cannot control.? If not for Jesus, I would go screaming off into the night out of control without a hope in the world. You do what you feel you have to do and I will do the same. We have no power but we do have the Lord if we want him. He is our only hope. People are conditioned to believe anyone that relies on the Lord is nuts or stupid or even evil because they do not believe as the world does.. What you see in movies and tv is not realistic.
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Oh i'm so sorry !! lol thank you for being good humored about it. Happy new year back at ya!!
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What are Your Thoughts on "BABY IT'S COLD OUTSIDE" being banned by Radio Stations? Do you find it offensive? What other Classic Christmas Songs should or will be banned next?
"It is possible to listen too hard to the lyrics and unnecessarily spoil one’s enjoyment of a song. And if we’re really going to scrutinise Christmas tunes for their inappropriateness in the modern world, where do we stop? Good King Wenceslas glorifies a patriarchal definition of charitable giving that belittles the value of a properly funded welfare state. The 12 Days of Christmas, with its celebration of the senseless carnage of literally dozens of innocent game birds, is offensive to vegans. We Wish You a Merry Christmas alienates people without kin. Santa Claus Is Coming to Town (“he’s making a list, he’s checking it twice …”) directly contravenes GDPR rules. And don’t even get me started on the bullying scenes in Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, which are very triggering.
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