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The Use Of AI on DOS Movies - Discuss. (400 views, 29 replies)


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Recently I came across the title of a movie in the DOS Forum (thanks ✴𝕊𝕦𝕚𝕤𝕖𝕟✴) which was a remake of an earlier version.

The name was “Cat People” (1982) and although I had seen the original black and white movie, this one had slipped under the radar even though the soundtrack contains quite a famous song sung by David Bowie.

I was impressed by the film and it came from the director of the recent “Master Gardener” and the screenwriter of such classics such as Taxi Driver, Raging Bull and The Last Temptation of Christ – Paul Schrader. So here goes …



So far, so good.


Not long after viewing the film and reviewing the comments left here about it, my eye caught the following from another classic movie …


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Very interesting post. Bravo Boxitto! BTW this makes me think that I shouldn't let browser autocorrect my posts so that at least some people believe me. Rofl

Yea this is a real threat not for DOSM but for everywhere. Some dump politicians would not even pay journalists and teachers write their speeches - joking

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Well there's no way to stop it. The mods will just have to check all reviews carefully for nonsense and where they find it I'd suggest taking away the author's review / posting privileges.

Given the amount of useless reviews on here, generated content would probably be an improvement.

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@Lemming I just had the same thought about more proficient reviews this way hahahahha

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The generated storyline violate the rules, not the TOS. It has to be in your own words, not chat or AI generated, or copied from any other source.

It's the same with reviews.

You actually posted a review that you didn't write, and it was approved? It shouldn't be on the reviews as per the rules for writing reviews.

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Well ....... I didn't post the review in the comments section (just here in the forum as an example) - I sort of asked a "friend" of mine to express in 10 seconds what it would take me half an hour to do (an hour if you include the storyline). Typing is not my forte.

And then I had a look at the RULES which state ...

Don't post, ask, talk or complain about links and film sources. Use spoiler tags (Sp icon) for spoilers, don't overuse formatting tags (bold, italic) and smileys. Pay attention to your grammar.

Your review should be detailed enough to provide value to readers. Long and informative reviews get more user's attention and get more points. Useless, short, copied reviews will be removed (please report such reviews) and users who's trying to tick the system may be banned.

If you liked/disliked the movie please tell us WHY. Try writing at least 4-5 sentences, more = better. Reviews are a very important part of our community.

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@..box.. whatever good critique we give AI, costs jobs I fear. I hate the AI thing since it's very beginning. Was irresponsible to be given for free but then again I made the thought that it may be given for free just not to be owned by military or certain closed clique. We'll never know perhaps. What do u think? Same goes / my fears for quant-computers

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@..box.. Yep, absodamnlutely IMHO.
Thx for asking Box. xx0x0xx

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First of all, I need to state that I did receive a notification on the specific comment. A report filed by tazergrrrl herself:

The reason I ignored it is none other than the fact that there is no rule violation, explicit or implicit. I am not going to debate the moral aspects of this particular conundrum. My function is exclusively focused on the enforcement of the rules. The review section is designed around the unique intellectual creation of the reviewers themselves. That unique intellectual creation is translated into legal parlance as copyright. I am sure you are all well aware that copyright is protected by law in both international and nearly ALL legal jurisdictions (with the notable exception of China which has made copyright infringement a national policy).

Copyright is the sole reason of the rules concerning plagiarism on the site. If a reviewer posts a third party owned copyrighted piece, both the site and the reviewer could be made subject to both criminal and civil lawsuits. And as the attribution of copyright is regarded as automatic from the moment of the conclusion of that unique intellectual creation, there is really no need for copyright repositories and complicated registration proceedings to identify the owner. In practice this would mean that the person who published the work first would be deemed the copyright proprietor, unless another party can prove ownership prior to the publication (i.e. metadata on word documents, notes, skeleton structures or other means of organizing the thoughts behind the text in question).
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@JudgeDredd An interesting presentation on the legal ramifications (or lack thereof) in genrating reviews with the help of the new fangled AI resources.

But setting aside the copyright legality, this strikes at the heart of what DOS Movies is and means.




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@..box.. I fully understand your argument. I really do. Having said that, I am not inclined to debate any of your finer points representing the benefits of AI. I am however unable to resist the temptation to argue about the negative ones. True, the negative ones do represent a challenge and are quite capable of producing results completely off the mark. But, in my opinion, one would have to look at the entire context to decide if these drawbacks actually represent actual drawbacks. And to do that we have to look at the competition, namely the human element. In the same categories of Lack of Emotional Understanding, Limited Creativity and Insufficient Contextual Understanding, I hereby present you the competition. Please note that some of these reviews would fit several categories and not just one:

1. Lack of Emotional Understanding

Review from the movie "Snow Falls" smiley
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@JudgeDredd Exactly the emotional response, which I select to expose in my reviews, makes my reviews different. This why I wouldn't worry, especially because I get 0,00 euros for them.
I personally think that in this dialectics : The Admin should erase - even if not in TOS or fair the review because:
1. Is not fair for people that really spend time for them. I was surprised when I have read recently from Box how long took him to construct the query and re-post, in form, his thoughts.
I know also my friend Teeny gives of her time for reviewing and keep up with her Horror genre.
I personally think that I spare for my reviews in English and my posts in the site very little time and if not replaced from my browser, don't really care much for my syntactic errors. Which is very different for people that care for the way of how their posts show up.
2. In the spirit of internet becoming tool of manipulation for anyone that needs to make propaganda, even in it's commercial forms, will be free to use AI if we allow this.
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@Nasos I havent discussed the matter with the Admin and I am unaware of his opinion on the matter. What I have written constitutes my own personal opinion and is not to be regarded as official site policy. With that in mind, I personally prefer voicing my own opinion rather than entrust that to a machine on my behalf.

In regards to your points, these are my observations:

1. In regards to fairness, I do not see that as a problem. Essentially we are venturing into the territory of professional reviews from accredited film critics. The film critics have a different set of standards on reviews from the ordinary people. They break down the elements of the movie based on the notion that it represents a form of art. Ordinary people concentrate on the entertainment factor, which at the end of the day is the deciding factor in selecting a movie. Personally, I tend to avoid film critics. Considerations of outstanding direction, script and photography may very well describe the most boring movie in history. For that reason alone, I tend to avoid Oscar winning films. They speak little to nothing at all in regards to entertainment.
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@JudgeDredd I understand you can't follow my logic for the vis a vis because you don't have in mind how software, cryptographic methods and many more things have developed and used and some more things in the internet but even with ur logic or any logic, I wish my fears are wrong and this won't harm us all. I really wish I am wrong in this.

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@JudgeDredd Poor you JD.

I have to admit that the Lack of Emotional Understanding examples did have me laughing on the inside quite a bit. I don't think AI could come up with anything similar.

The others were written by [insert appropriate medical term] but ar definitely human, probably from the other side of the pond. smiley

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I posted an AI movie review a couple of months ago when playing with ChatGPT, and marked it as such. Can't remember which movie.
ChatGPT wrote some nice words but the content was bland and not what I would write, so gave up on it.

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@Buttless I recently asked the same program for the storyline for a recent Florence Pugh & Morgan Freeman. I gave the name Morgan Freeman in my request and it spouted the following gobbilygook -



Nothing is right.

Maybe I need the 4 version but I have heard of other users discovering that these bots tell LIES just like any good human.

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@Buttless As you and Box know how to use ChatGPT, have you considered an experiment where you both get ChatGPT to write a review on the same film, but you independently give your own take on said film to ChatGPT to get your reviews?

Then post them here to see what the differences are.

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@SimonM What do you think, Box?
The sound of music, or Debbie does Dallas, or war and peace... all great classics.

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@Buttless Debbie does Dallas sounds like a good choice..

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@SimonM Review the classic movie Debbie does Dallas as a driver in the baby-boomer generation's social awakening. smiley
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"Debbie Does Dallas," released in 1978, is a pornographic film that gained significant notoriety during the height of the sexual revolution in the 1970s. While it is challenging to view this film as a driver in the baby-boomer generation's social awakening, I can discuss its cultural context and its potential impact on the era.

During the 1960s and 1970s, the baby-boomer generation played a pivotal role in challenging traditional norms and advocating for social change. This period witnessed a sexual revolution, marked by increased openness towards sexuality, discussions about sexual freedom, and a push for sexual liberation. It was a time of exploration and rebellion against societal constraints, as individuals sought to embrace their desires and question established moral standards.
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@Buttless Sounds like a documentary, a challenging wank for the most trigger happy stiffy..

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@Buttless I would have to be one we have both seen and I haven't seen Debbie does Dallas nor War and Peace.

How about a classic like The Godfather or Apocalypse Now or The Shining?

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@..box.. Any lad who hasn't seen 'Debbie' by the time he turns 16 has lived a very cloistered existence! smiley smiley

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@Buttless You forget I'm from Ireland. We had proper censorship although we were allowed to watch The Excorcist at that age.

And who rented it for us - a priest.

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@..box.. We had extreme censorship in South Africa, and a thriving black market.

And priests... let's not go there.

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@Buttless Here's my "friend's" take on The Godfather movie ...

dosmovies.com/forum/thread/The-G...

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@..box.. That takes a very negative view if mob families, I 'improved' it.

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When lawyers use AI...

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