Remembering the Love of Jesus (2404 views, 157 replies)

Think back to the day when you met Him,

When you surrendered your all to the Lord;

Do you remember the grace He had shown you,

How He paid the price we could never afford?


How free you had felt from the bondage,

No longer carrying that great burden of sin,

Knowing that you had finally been forgiven,

His presence was now felt within.


A new life had begun with the Savior,

You had longed to learn of His ways,

Your desire was to earnestly seek Him,

In His word and in prayer everyday.


Does that fire still burn deep within you?

Do you walk faithfully down the path that He leads?

Is your communion with Him still as precious

Or do you cry out to Him when there's only great need?


Lord, I pray we'll remember you always,

We'll not forget the great sacrifice you made,

The blood that you shed there at Calvary,

May the memory of that day never fade.


When you arose from the grave "three" days later,

Proving there was life after death evermore,
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May we realize the awesomeness of your rising,

The eternal life that we now have in store.


Now, Oh Lord, I pray that you'll remind us,

To daily worship our Father Above,

Rekindle the fire that once burned so brightly,

For You, our dear Savior, OUR FIRST LOVE.


Hallelujah for Christ the anointed one is our King Paid in full with a blood bought sacrifice for every human being For death couldn't hold Him in that tomb For He promised to rise again and never forsake youThe precious lamb of God as a lasting sacrifice still lives Salvation to all mankind He freely longs to give, and all you have to do is ask for HIS forgiveness.

As we and your family remember this day We pray you'll glorify Christ on Resurrection Sunday Remember it wasn't an easter bunny that died on a cross To save the sin sick world from being lost It was The Son of God Jesus!

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I'm a fervent believer and never doubted over decades, but if you genuinely want to spread the Gospel of Yeshua ha Mashiach, then why not make inquiries with your pastor and do evangelism in real life? Take witnessing classes. It just is not possible not plausible to effectively do ministry online.

This is coming from someone who has done a huge amount of volunteer ministry as well as paid ministry done professionally. It also will be poorly received here...and likely cause unwanted conflict without any benefit.

If Jesus is your true Master, then do what he wants. He must increase and you must decrease. John 3:30.

There is a fine balance between 1 Peter 3:15 and giving an answer when someone makes an inquiry about one's faith as a Christian versus the Great Commission in Matthew 28: 16-20. If we are to be ambassadors, then we have a responsibility to do it effectively.

Take witnessing class to learn how to do it properly. Based on the history f evangelism, if a sincere Christian invites a friend or new arrival to their neighborhood to church, there is a 70-80% chance they will go. If one continues in a genuine friendship, inviting them frequently to dinner, the number goes way up. If you church has practical ministries like clothing closets, food banks, single mom ministries, etc, then the numbers are extremely favorable.

What never works is random street preaching that comes off as judgmental as an anonymous poster on the internet. It's up to you. Either do effective ministry in real life that is practical and hard work as many devout Christians have done or make random posts that most likely won't accomplish anything. The latter might help the careless and the struggling who are suffering.
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What you must not do is make a brother stumble. There is nothing in the Bible discussing anonymous internet evangelism. In the parable of the sheep and the goats, both call Jesus "Lord" meaning both recognize his authority. One is humble and a true follower and does practical actions to alleviate suffering and share the Gospel. One is rebellious like a goat and fails to help the suffering and risks Hell.
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If anyone is interested...Arnold Murray does an excellet job explaining bible verse. Whether or not you beieve it is your decision. www.youtube.com/user/TheShepherd...

If fifty thousand people downvote a comment on Jesus, that has no bearing whatsoever on the reality of Jesus. The same is true for an explaination of the process of DNA. A billion people can downvote a response that is accurate, and it makes zero difference regarding the phenomena.

Maturity is about realizing self-worth regardless of what others think.

Something cannot come from nothing. Elements do not wink into existence but are created. Life is ordered and known based upon DNA as it's a code and even a language. That implies order and a supreme deity and not spontaneous creation. This means that atheism fails based upon the philosophical problem of infinite regression. Look it up. It's such a problem that some physicists and astrophysicists struggle and claim one universe collapsed and so sowed material and life in this universe. That only creates an infinite cascade of universes into eternity.

Being a Christian is actually more logical than disbelieving which is why many scientists in the absence of clear evidence are agnostic not atheists. Frankly new atheism has turned into a faith based religion which is extremely amusing to an intellectual who is an educated Christian in both the humanities and the sciences.
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Think of Plato's Cave. He couldn't convince those in chains in the cave that they were ignorant regardless of what he would say. People convince themselves of truths and this is why evangelism just won't work the preponderance of the time on the Internet.

Practical valid ministry is what works and what demonstrates veracity and that is very Biblical.

It doesn't matter what others believe. Know what you believe and communicate that...well. Most of your communication will be in real life to have any importance at all.
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Religious flaming is pointless. It's by definition a hollow act.

If YHWH is not real, then why argue about the concept? Do you argue about whether Osirus exists?

If YHWH is real, then literally nothing else matters as then YHWH is the very meaning to existence.

There is no proof either way that is conclusive. There are multiple proofs of YHWH but zero satisfying philosophical proofs that YHWH does not exist. Logically then it becomes a faith based conclusion and neither side has the intellectual high ground.

My entire point is that evangelism on the Internet is abiblical and unlikely to persuade anyone. One might even state that philosophically, one person is unlikely to ever persuade another with free will to believe anything.

You cannot enlighten another. One chooses to follow a spiritual path or refuses to take that journey and harrying anonymous folks on the internet serves no purpose.

In philosophy, everyone participating in a debate makes a conscious choice to believe, disbelieve, or claim insufficient information or adequate logical proof or evidence to arrive at a conclusion. Thus each has a totally equal burden of proof. New Atheism ignores general philosophy to its peril and clearly most have not taken a single philosophy course while in a university setting.
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New atheism proposes an abscence of belief, yet this does not exist in philosophy. If one is ignorant and has no belief whatsoever, what does that mean? Define that properly. I mean one could have been born in the wild and be unable to communicate and be abjectly obtuse, but still inevitably one would have beliefs and disbeliefs.
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Beautiful poem! Who is the writer? Just ignore the downvotes. Religion is always a controversial subject regardless if one is all for or against it. Happy Easter and God bless!

I like the thread or I should better say I like the way argumentation has been deployed. I personaly believe in Jesus. Not really sure if a poem about Jesus represents anonymous internet evangelism. I would be sure if I see the same person doing this again and again with a certain agenda. The same would be for someone that makes a statement about Islam.

About Democracy and "mob Rule". Democracy is not "mob Rule". This statement is really offending and lacks of real knowledge for the termin and the history behind it.

About Platos' cove. As I understand the evangelist, as presented,is the one that has overcome bondages and shadows of fake images run by demagogs and imposters, familiar with the truth itself, ready to enlighten all the others? Hmm, I am sorry this really sounds arrogant for a servant of God. And if someone is using it, maybe needs redemption of his own, as the main mean of Christianity is our humane nature and humility before the face of God. It is also in conflict with many paths drawn in philosophy.
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About "new Atheism"...I feel Nightmare was referring to "empirical agnosticism" wich is nothing new in the ways of men.

I wanna thank all the ppl commenting. It really became an interesting thread to read
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Here are the genuine words of Yeshua ha Mashiach.
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
Take up Your Cross
(Matthew 16:24-28; Mark 8:34-38; Luke 9:23-27)
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. 39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
Matthew 10:34-39

It is intentionally offensive. If you twist the words of Christ to make them more pallatable, then you are just a heretic.

I have no interest in evangelism nor teaching enlightenment as it is impossible online.

There is no one that is "good" except YHWH alone according to the Bible.
Mark 10:18

There is no Biblical imperative to be nice. That is a vague undefineable social construct.

There is a strong personal directive from Jesus to his believers to be altruistic. Altruism is synonymous with Righteousness. At the bare minimum, one needs to at least offer a cup of cold water to a "little one" (Matthew 10:42) who is a believer ie a child or even a new believer. Christianity is strongly associated with practical expression of altruism linked to the words of Jesus (Yeshua).

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee ? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed
... thee ? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Matthew 25:34-46
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No. The most throughly documented ancient languages are ancient Hebrew and Greek that was used in the New Testament. We have an enormous amount of copies of papyri and an enormous body of scholarly linguistic study such that it is vast. Then we have any alteration of linguistic meaning over time.

While the KJV is most always the very best translation from a scholarly standpoint,it is older English making it more difficult to parse.

If you wanted to study a passage, and took the time to do exegesis, then I could carefully even meticulously explain the translation of a passage from either Hebrew or Greek to English and taking into account idioms.

Devout Christians do that routinely every day. It can take two hours to do some complex study or fifteen minutes.

Many vague Christian beliefs are abiblical in actuality as they were cultural affectations. A nonbeliever most likely has a warped sense of what we believe. Many Christians cannot communicate well what they believe and the Biblical basis for it. ... Some doctrines have dubious Biblical ties or even none at all.
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In either the humanities or in the sciences, then there can be no communication without a "common frame of reference". A term has a specific meaning and unless both the speaker and listener have this common frame of reference,then there will be inevitable misunderstanding. That is central to diplomacy otherwise a war could start. Anyone who has studied "conflict resolution" understands this. Any lawyer should understand this. Any physician should understand it. A philosopher or theologian should as well.

Misunderstandings occur online as there is no agreement on this common frame of reference as literally anyone might be any age or have varied educational backgrounds, cultural upbringing, ethnic differences, etc. So miscommunication happens.

A large portion of communication is nonverbal, therefore miscommunication will always occur online.

Some communication is reflective of delivery. That plays a role in Neurolingistic Programming as well as Transactional Analysis in the field of psychology.

Do you see the problems inherent in debate when the people participating don't understand either the rules that govern debate plus do not have common frames of reference?

Here. I will provide this for clarity.
examples.yourdictionary.com/exam...

This explains the differences in ethos, logos, and pathos and how they apply to debate ie rational discourse in a philosophical setting.

Ethos uses appeals to ethics in rhetoric.

A Christian relies upon the Bible as a source of ethics from objective morality deriving from YHWH.

A nonbeliever has no authority from which to base ethical systems and so has subjective morality...and this is a very weak intellectual position in rhetoric as it is subject to change particularly in democracies.

However a nonbeliever may choose an ethical system as the basis for ethics, say by proposing the works of Seneca.

Logos as appeals to logic and evidence and have a very high intellectual weight in rhetoric.
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Pathos are appeals to emotion and have almost zero intellectual weight in rhetoric.

Now if you are discussing being "nice", you have to define that because it is meaningless.

I think what you refering to are standards governing social groups. In this case, then understanding what decorum means versus collegiality would be helpful.

Decorum are the official rules in any group setting to foster rational discourse as well as generalized civilization. In a forum setting, they frequently are outlines in "terms of service".

Whereas collegiality is a generalized sense of personal ethics in small groups to foster the free exchange of ideas. If not collegial, then one might perceive the "other" as an enemy and so intentionally be hostile. look above to see posts which are antichristian like the cartoon animation versus the discussion of Godphobia.

A lack of collegiality is among the worst pressing issues in Americaand has led to vehement polarization approaching the rumblings of a sedcond civil war.
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Such a positive and inspirational post that is a reminder of the true meaning of Easter for those who are open to receive. You have maintained a very respectful response throughout this thread which is rare. Thank you @Alicaandbobby May you have a blessed Easter - God Bless!

I've also enjoyed reading everything from AnhedoniaNightmare you are quite obviously very well educated and intelligent with a gift to write. I look forward to more by you in both movie reviews and forum threads. Thank you and welcome to two-movies!

My favourite piece of religious music.. "you gotta walk that lonesome valley.. you gotta walk it all alone.." suits me.
But uhmm.... Johnny said it best. www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQTCS6aW...

I cultivated my garden, (turned the soil) in London.. but it is still too cold here to plant on Good Friday.

Christians who wish to educate themselves should understand that some heresies crept in over time.

Some thought that YHWH was an evil god and that GOD is actually someone else. That is a famous heresy that tries to explain away the differences in the Old Testament versus the New Testament. That versus the theologically sound principle that the Bible began as a very exclusive spirituality to very few and then became extremely inclusive as it historically occurred.

Gnostics believe that Lucifer is a benevolent being. That ignores Christian history, the dubious scholarship of discredited Gnostic texts, and that Gnosticism died. The resurrgence is very new and without any authority and is frankly a mishmash of undisciplined beliefs.

Members of the Latter Day Saintshave the Book of the Mormon plus the Bible. They believe that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers.

During the "Enlightment" period, particularly in Europe, rationalists rejected the teachings of Christianity. Some were rigid atheists and propsed Lucifer as emancipator, not to worship, but as a metaphor. From them "satanic atheism" arises.
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Likewise some read Gnostic texts because they read all esoteric texts, and became Illuminati and later Luciferians.

The Christian response in America was "The Great Awakening" which caused revivals across America. Charles Wesley who was Anglican and nationally was an Episcopalian, as was his brother, then created the Methodist church as early evangelistic Christianity versus the "frozen chosen" Episcopalians.
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26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:26-29

These verses are the very basis of destroying bigotry.
These verses are the very basis of destroying slavery.
These verses are the very basis of the women's sufferage movement by Christians.

But they are more for anyone wise enough to read them.

Because of Jesus dying on the cross and conquering sin and Death, there is TRUE FREEDOM from the bondage of sins(errors).

I can realate!