Mature trump discussion....possible ? (1524 views, 114 replies)
senior master
Yesterday was a perfect example that this man is not a politician, never was and with two years in the job clearly shows little ability for the duties of the position.
In a press conference, the media representative asks a pertinent question and the politican/president responds as best he/she can. Sometimes they do, sometimes they turn the question around and talk about something completely different. It is the ability of using the language to your advantage. Then the listeners read between the lines and make up their minds.
In the press conference yesterday, the media representative asks a pertinent question (calling him out on a lie) and the President of the United States of America doesn't respond but gives a full-blown verbal, personal attack on the reporter and accuses him of doing something but not making it very clear what exactly he was accusing him of. Mr. Trump even stands away from the podium, suggesting he is going to leave the stage (a number of times).
They move on to the next reporter who defends the first one and again get into a toe-to-toe discussion with him.
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senior master
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@Joe1975 That's really cool.
Perhaps if we "pre-fill" the thread with positivity it will help move it in an open and non-confrontational way.
:)
@ Well, in being positive I believe the result was a small step forward. Investigations regarding Donald trump could take place. Regardless of what other want to say they are legitimate investigations. Anyone from any party who has acted the way he possibly has needs to be investigated. They can also stop any of his more wild / regressive ideas from becoming reality if I'm correct.
senior master
@---BOX--- Republicans won the Senate so it wasn't a complete loss. Unlike the left, the right is able accept election results.
@FemaleLotRfan83 No argument about the Senate. Unlike Trump, the left knows fact from fiction.
@---BOX--- Since he tied with Reagan at 26, I can live with it. Bet you wiped the terrible memory of Odumbass losing 63 seats clean from your memory. The liberal tears were sweet that day.
@sidewayswalking Reagan is a bit before my interest in global politics. No idea who Odumbass is nor do I care. I suppose you are name calling which is the usual tactic. I am living in the present and I would suggest that you do the same.
@---BOX--- Is that the victory you brag about, barely winning the house by one percent? Talk about low standards. No wonder you admire Clinton and Bernie Sanders.
You call barely a win, a KO
whatever gives you hope I guess.
@BrunoAxemaker I wanted to put the results here for you to see but it is impossible due to the limitations of the reply box.
I will post them at end of the current thread after Joe1975.
@---BOX--- Dems have one more seat than is needed for a majority.
One
Congratulations
M eanwhile the Reps have the Senate Majority
let's not forget the White House and SC
I don't even like Republicans but the way Dems brag about getting one more seat than needed for a majority is like the waterboy bragging about winning a pennant when he never set foot on the field.
www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle...
@BrunoAxemaker Funny - kidspost? really? We need to get you a subscription.
Anyone to crowdfund?
And no, controlling majority is 218 and the DEMS have currently 225. Doing the maths and it comes out as ........more than 1.
Exaggeration, lack of data or Fake News? - take your pick.
@---BOX--- >They need 218 seats for a majority. Democrats have won 219 and the Republicans 193
Guess you can't read. This is the Washington Post- Propaganda from your side
219- 218= 1
Glad I could help
@BrunoAxemaker Could you quote your source please?
You should check your facts otherwise the numbers won't tally and the maths will be bad, giving Fake News in the end.
www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada...
@---BOX--- Are you joking?
I sent you the link but you must not have read it and then you criticized it.
I quoted from the link that shows the source.
If you can't find it then I don't know what to tell you.
@BrunoAxemaker Please stop reading the children's version of the WP and try to stay up to date with the information
If not, we can't really have a dialogue about the facts.
Please read my post on what Trump supporters do in this type of situation. It is quite funny how predictions become a reality only this wasn't a prediction - this is a modus operandi.
@---BOX--- Says someone bragging about winning by a sliver while losing more of the Senate
after spending almost two years bragging about a blue wave, of course
You Libs are so adorable
Did you check the BBC article? To me it looks like Dems got 219
I know, I know. Reading is hard
Are you British? If you're in the UK it looks like your country has far more problems than us. Maybe that's the problem. Easier to criticize than deal with your issues at home. Have at it then. The US is always glad to help.
@BrunoAxemaker I'll post the article further down because it really is in very,very big letters
@---BOX--- You know what- save it.
I posted an article, yes it's the Kid's section of the WP but it stated it in clear English.
You posted an article from the BBC which showed an animation that backed up what I said exactly.
Really tired of this. If you can't understand then you've got bigger issues than this. You don't even have a horse in this race. I'm glad you have such an easy life that you can get worked up over something that doesn't affect you at all.
Good luck, mate.
@BrunoAxemaker And the loser bows in defeat. The smell of Fake News in the morning, makes me smile.
Good night and Good Luck
@---BOX--- No, the end came when you proudly displayed an article that backed up my argument
and then you blather 'what did Trump ever do for peace??'
there's no use talking with you, it's just sad. You're like a child that doesn't understand the question and so he just starts arguing
Are you Jim Acosta?
I win
@BrunoAxemaker With the facts, the real facts in my hand from a variety of independent sources I asked the very questions that Republicans should be asking themselves. I didn't consult the children's editions.
Can you imagine another 4 years of this megalomaniac? Well do you?
senior guru
I just typed a big long post - then deleted it.
No, no, a mature conversation about Trump is impossible LOL
God
A mature discussion? It's not possible unless libs grow up and stop name calling those they don't agree with.
@FemaleLotRfan83 But the mature discussion is about Trump, not the Republican party. Are the two one and the same - I have my doubts. Until yesterday it looked like a marriage of convenience, but since Trump only wants the side of the party that follows him then I would say it may become a bit inconvenient. The GOP does not deserve this president nor do the American people. And no name calling necessary - only the facts and some semblance of truth.
@---BOX--- The difference is a lot of Dems think people that support Trump consider themselves Republican
I would wager that people that voted for Trump are sick of the entire gdmn mess and want it wiped away. They're tired of the cronyism and the passive aggressive nature of politicians and the press that only give lip service to real problems while acting in their own (and their friend's interests). They're tired of being condescended to and politicians acting like rock stars and celebrities rather than servants of the people.
Trump is not innocent of all those things either but he's a lot better than a lot of the recent politicians that actively and to this day continue being led by strings of the bankers, of the elite 1% and all those people that are above the law.
I guarantee people also support Trump for the same reason so many people hate him- he doesn't hide what he feels and isn't passive aggressive. If someone treats him poorly he treats them even worse. He doesn't pretend to like someone when he really despises them. In that way he stands out from every other politician and that's why the status quo is against him.
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@FemaleLotRfan83 Well telling Libs to grow up is kinda calling names and is not an intelligent unbias way to continue a conversation.if you say the left don't accept the results then please shown evidence. Opinion is not fact. It is a fact Donald Trump states these were great results when obviously it was not. We've all seen the news.
guru
The reason a mature discussion isn't possible, in your case, is because you present a false scenario and go from there.
First off President Trump ANSWERED his question. Just because he didn't like the answer doesn't mean it wasn't answered. Strike one!
When asked, BY THE PRESIDENT, to pass the mic, Acosta acted like a b**ch that couldn't get his way. Strike two.
The video you claim to have seen, PLAINLY shows him putting his hands on the intern. Strike three.
Since you claim to be from the UK, three strikes, YOU'RE OUT! 
So my question, without malice is, are you an idiot, or did you think everyone else was?
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@sidewayswalking Ha ha ok. Good reply. I don't claim to be from the UK I have stated that.and you can't call anyone an idiot and it not have connotations of malice. I live in Wales. I am not an idiot. Nor are you I'm sure. Please don't include strike three your out in any future discussions you have. It's meaningless.
@Joe1975 "Hi all. I'm British and live in the UK" (your post)
I called no one an idiot, I asked a question.
Notice you didn't offer a single rebuttal to my points, so my last question still stands unanswered. I think you thought the latter, but are slowly realizing it's the former, that is true.
Please don't post fake stuff again, or get better at it.
@sidewayswalking Just to clarify. Read the beginning of my last reply to you. Could easily of been missed while reading it quickly. So I am from the UK. Cheers .
master
He wasn't asking a question. he was pushing his ideaology to get attention for himself. He was rude to the other reporters and obnoxiously spoke over the others.
Trump wasn't considerate either, interrupting him, but this is the same question he has been asked in one form or another, for months.
Acosta has been inconsiderate and rude for a while. It's clear he has an agenda and should have been excused weeks ago.
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senior master
BrunoAxemaker Just to get back to your point above ... the results so far according to Wikipedia as at ECT 00:07
I took a screen print of the Wiki page and as we can see the REP vote is given as 47% whereas the DEM vote is given as 51.2%.
Fake News? I can't be certain if CNN is running Wikipedia but by my calculations there seems to be more than a 1% difference.
Low standards - The standard of statesman in the Oval office should be considered. A president should be above this type of behaviour in public. He should be able to deal with hecklers but he doesn't have those attributes that a political statesman needs for this post. He shouldn't rise to the bait - but he always does.
I can't vote in US so Clinton and Sanders (although admirable people) are not on my ballot.
@---BOX--- LOL! I don't know what you mean...I was just refferring to the map of the U. S. Vote. Red is Republican, or conservative. When Trump won the 2016 election he Won 2,626 Counties. Hillary Only Won 487. that map looks the same. It's just that California, and New York have MILLIONS of people in urban area, mostly minorities, and blacks vote 90% Democratic. So FAR MORE of America voted for Trump. The south west turned blue this election, because of the number of IMMIGRANTS living in that area. They do not represent America...they represent a border with no boundaries.
@bondojoe Liverpool should have a better colour but in Europe RED means socialist. As far as I can tell and I took a screen print of the Wiki page and as we can see the REP vote is given as 47% whereas the DEM vote is given as 51.2%.
And the last time I looked it was the registered citizens of America who voted in the elections. Are all votes not the same? Are you suggesting that the immigrant vote represents less of America - a country built by immigrants.
If I didn't know you better Bondo I would find it very difficult to understand why you think Trump lost the house of Representatives. Surely you are not blaming the Democrats for the defeat. I know who Trump blamed - his own party. Those bloody republicans who were not Trumpies.
@---BOX--- You're right. Not enough Republicans voted. But you're wrong about the immigrants. THESE immigrants didn't build America. Many of them have been living here for decades...illegally voting. You can find the stories...if you look. Take a look at the map on election night 2016...It is almost ALL red. Almost every county , in every state. The exceptions are California, and New Yoork. As I stated, there are millions of immigrants, AND ILLEGAL ALIENS clusterd there. They represent those states, but they do NOT represent the United Staes. Why do you think they are mostly in one area? And that area...California, is a cesspool. You go to youtube, and see for yourself, if you like. The REST of America is fighting to avoid becoming like them. The people are, anyway. Not Liberal politicians. The truth is not always palatable.
@bondojoe The United States is country of immigrants. Immigrants literally built the United States. Black slaves turned the south into economic powerhouses. The Irish and Italian immigrants powered the coastal manufacturing revolution.
California is the fifth largest economy in the world. Its tax dollars pays for the budget of the poorest states in U.S (nine out of ten poorest states are Red states). Without California's taxes, these red states wouldn't be able to afford the fuel subsidies, farm subsidies, food stamps, healthcare, etc. that people in those states take for granted.
California has a thriving and resilient economy powered by high tech enterprises and manufacturing. The state offers a great standard of living to most of its residents. It has one of the best education systems in the country, one of the lowest mortality rates, and much more. It has a thriving arts, music and entertainment scene.
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@Couch_Potato California TAKES ONE THIRD of all welafre money in the United States. Now they just passed a law taking from the rich and giving from the poor. Tens of thousands live on the streets. You can see the mess on any youtube video. They have a special detail that costs BILLIONS a year, just to pick up human excrement from the city streets. It goes ona nd on. California is a year or two away from a crisis. NO! They are in a crisis NOW. They are a year or two away from anarchy.
@bondojoe Get a grip, man. California spent $103 billion on welfare in 2017. It also paid $405.85 billion in federal taxes. California receives less federal funding that the federal taxes it pays.
California is in a far better economic state than the United States.
@bondojoe @livinginabox has difficulty understanding simple things. Don't expend the energy trying to explain it to him. It will just confuse him more.
@BrunoAxemaker Please, because I seem to have been doing the explaining all evening with facts and results and links. You offered yesterday's edition of the kiddies WP - Please help me understand the need to defend this excuse for a statesman.
He's holding the office of some of the greatest leaders in history for god's sake.
But the wagons are circling as they have nothing to offer so they talk to their buddies and that will make this all go away.
@---BOX--- The WP backed up my claim
as did your BBC article you tried to use to prove I'm wrong
When you do something like that it makes me feel like this is really unfair.
This may be a joke and if it is, I hope you had fun. I'm just embarrassed for you.
I'm set to block you now, not because I don't want to hear you or I'm backing out of a debate, but I've clearly won and any further communication is just annoying. I don't want to hear from you anymore so just stop it. You've already proven your foolishness several times. You obviously can't have a mature discussion about Trump.
master
i really do not give a f---- what anyone does in politics, its like being a tiny ant,and you are arguing about what the huge bodies of humans do,the ants think"we can affect them!!Yes we can!!we can decide what they do!!"
@clarachan1355 When someone comes into the room and shuts everyone up with one comment then walks away. Couldn't agree more. I'll stick to movies ha ha
senior master
THIS IS FOR BRUNOAXEMAKER should he have any doubts about when the number 1 is Fake News
But it is only maths after all, and a few more Liberal votes
@---BOX--- That very same page said it was 219
Can you not read?
Also, I tend to doubt everything you said after some of the ridiculous claims you made like Bill Clinton was a peaceful man and the Korean War ended
Embarrassing.
senior guru
@DemandingFemale Well thank you DF because these boys seem to be living in cloud cuckoo land.
master
Firstly Acosta regularly tries to take over these press conferences, which unfairly limits time for other journalists. Secondly he clearly handles the lady (#Believe her remember?) and as the left tell us all accusations are to be believed.
It's just a shame that Obama never gave the press this much time and that people weren't this outraged when he was alienating Fox news. I do love how people are saying the info wars video is fake when it's clear footage from a reputable news source that they used...talk about hypocrisy and agendas 😂
@MarkRowley Obama banned many people from the press pool
but several people on here are brainwashed to believe everything they are told by the media.
Just like they got all bent out of shape when Trump followed Obama's immigration protocols
Just like they didn't care when Obama dumped dozens of bombs every day of his presidency and then won the Peace Prize.
They are duped. Worst of all, they don't know it.
senior master
BrunoAxemaker
Congratulation on the win ... victory to the victors and history to be written by the victors.
So let's hear what history says ...
1. Korean War Finished
Source: Wikipedia
2. Democrats won 225 seats in house of representatives
3. President Bill Clinton was instrumental in bringing about the Good Friday peace agreement.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po...
Don't be so embarrassed for others when you think your are in the right. Know that it is only yourself feeling the embarrassment because you know that you are less than right.
Thank you for listening
senior master
LOL
this was so well predicted...
I find it hilarious that NON - Americans have such strong views and interests in American politics and rarely do I ever see much of anything else posted regarding other Country and their politics. HA!!
;)
top expert
I'm not going to apologise for not being American and asking a question with the hope of a friendly debate
@Joe1975 I think part of the problem is - Brit's see farther than the end of their own nose. We take an interest in the world outside our little island.
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Hi all. I'm British and live in the UK so I am able to see everything from afar without it directly affecting me. I would like to see if it's possible to have a discussion regarding everything Trump in a mature non confrontational, insult free way. Concerned with facts.I would like to start with this....the news reporter being banned from the white house. The facts are he asked a genuine question, Trump does not like the question,reporter was insulted , arguments start. Reporter banned for laying hands on a woman. This did not happen. Video of course shows entire scene.