Will America get it's Southern Border Wall.? (1744 views, 192 replies)
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A border wall won't magically make the problem go away, it simply makes the problem cost more without solving anything.
@bondojoe And we do defend it. What do you think the border patrol is doing down there? There is about 580 miles of physical fencing with other parts of the border similar to the border with Canada using sensors and drones. Even if you decided to build an actual wall across the southern border (almost 2000 miles long) the cost would, most likely, exceed $15-$25 billion and doubtfully stop people from coming here illegally since they'd simply go around. They built a tunnel UNDER the existing fence to get in. A wall wouldn't have any more effect on the caravan since it was stopped by the much more cost effective fence and border patrol agents.
So, I'm not saying don't defend the border, I'm saying a massive wall isn't going to accomplish what Trump believes it will accomplish.
@deiosa YES, its true the border patrols,drones,sensors MIGHT really work better as a "real virtual wall".Shit,you can tunnel under the solid-physical wall?Yes,the East Germans did that,when the EASTERN WALL was still up.--got a number out,too.
OK, fudge the "actual-wall,"a "virtual-patrolled-effective wall"would be better!!!SOMEONE VOLUNTEER to tell the Pentagon,this,and get the Big P. to tell Trump?He'll listen to the Big War-guys,won't he?OR, we all just email his grown kids,and THEY TELL HIM!I kinda like the women,good dressers.--I'll email,see if anyone owning technology actually listens to it!!heh.
@bondojoe u would only leave ur door open once a year if u didnt have a chimney , how else would santa clause get in 🤔😂😂😂😂😂. haha
@chaseyerself I leave my doors unlocked every night! I'm hoping that I get to thin out the criminals a little. I'm armed. Merry Christmas!
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In an ideal world both Canada and Mexico should be like a Schengen travel zone. However, Canada doesn't want retarded paranoid rednecks just walking on in and, paranoid rednecks can't or don't want to learn Spanish so....quite the conundrum.
A paradigm shift in policy would be more effective than any physical wall IMO. If they have a passport or ID, great, give them 90 days, then tell them to GTFO. Just like every other civilized country.
As it is now, Border Control isn't as ineffectual as some folks would lead you to believe. When was the last time there was an illegal terrorist here? You can google it, I'll wait. Any of those 0 people from Latin America?
What's the real threat here? Is there a Mexican ISIS I don't know about? A fruit picker stealing your girl? Too many landscapers with leaf blowers at 7:00am? Seriously...
Do what y'all want man(not that we get to vote on it anyways) but, 5bil would be better spent elsewhere. VA, NASA, healthcare, etc, etc..
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@PsychoDeeDee Being " USED " (like here in the UK) by big business to work for nothing in " low skilled " jobs, meaning less paid in taxes and no chance of getting a mortgage etc,etc.
@PureVodka🍺 Those stereotypes were sarcasm.. most Mexicans I work with on jobsites are highly skilled electricians or ironworkers making >$20/hr+...
@PsychoDeeDee Do you lock your doors at night? If you don't, you're foolish. I'm betting that you do. Same thing. It's not only who HAS come in...it's who MIGHT come in. The money should be spent on the WALL as well as elswhere. We're a rich country. We don't have to pick just ONE place, as you seem to suggest. There's enough horror stories of Illegal Aliens killing people, so that it's not neccessary to make any up. You can google it. If it was YOUR daughter that was a victim...ONE would be too many...right?
@bondojoe Of course I lock my doors. I live in a shady part of town but, not because of Mexicans. So that analogy is useless. I lock my doors because of 'lil gangbangers that wear the same drawers as you. Go to the same Mickey D's as you and, shop at the same Walmart for Dickies..AS YOU DO.
Again, what's he real threat here? Psychos don't exist in one culture..
@PsychoDeeDee Psychos exist in America. So you lock your doors, and leave your gate open. You're not too bright...are you?
@PsychoDeeDee LOL! There are no bad Mexicans..just like all women tell the truth...right? Tou mental pygmy!
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The Truth About Trump's Government Shutdown!
The terrible facts behind the current confrontation between Trump and the Democrats about funding the border wall!
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Wow, yall remember Ronald Reagan, "Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall" With all due respect, screw the wall. Just enforce our employment laws!! Its not a liberal or conservative issue its a bullsh*t smoke screen in my opinion. Its the wealthy business class that has been supporting illegal immigration historically. They were the ones illegality employing the mexican workers. But its us bleeding heart liberals right, we want to ruin our country and destroy our heritage make this a socialist dream. Wrong, so take your savings and loans and your offshore company headquaters, add up your capital gains and loses then blame us little people for your housing crisis. While your at it tell your grandfathers thanks for using asian labor to build their railroads and african slaves to farm their dirt. Oh thanks for allowing us good americans to build your war machines and our children to ride them into battle in some foreign land to safegaurd your investments. When my fellow americans so easily question my character just because i think building a wall is not the answere to our problems and calling me a liberal means anything, just call me a commie bastard. ...
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@pizzaguy666 You seem to be full of hate and disappointment. You might want to take credit for SOME of that. I KNOW what Liberals want to do... www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/...
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@bondojoe Oky doky. :)
.. The don't respond wasn't for you, Joe. Twas for sake of not being able to just write one word.
@bondojoe I don't know. It's certainly over-complicates a very simple reply.
Hope all is well with you. :)
@bondojoe I should have said that my original "no" is to the the question the thread heading asked, only, "Will America get its Southern Border Wall."
To be honest, I feel incredibly unqualified and impotent in addressing the many aspects of the "should there be a wall or not". So my answer was not to any aspect of that.
I apologise that I did not stipulate that, as that would have been more respectful. My only excuse is that not being able to simply put a "No" wasn't allowed, and then I got lost in making up other words to fill up the space in minor frustration, which may have come a cross as cheeky or flippant, neither of which I intended.
It's a tough issue and I can see that you are motivated by a deep love for the preservation of your own heritage.
I hope you will take some joy with lived one's in the next few days.
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@ No apology neccessary. I am not offended. It ammoys me also that short answers are not accepted in some places on this site. But it is not the preservation of my heritage that I am concened wiyth...but the preservation of my country, which is made up of many cultures, and ALL of those are now under attack by terrorism...be it political, religious, or morally.
@bondojoe I don't feel that "heritage" is one dimensional, and what you have described for yourself is indeed the very reason I chose the word "heritage".
I hope that if others read what you have written, and see this with a deeper clarity.
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Bondojoe you bring up common sense i admit. This wall subject gets me going a little too hot. My position in life is my own doing noone owes me nothing, yes cradle to the grave is not freedom is control. Am i liberal if i believe our system is corrupt? How about if i thought the "dont ask dont tell" policy was brilliant? Could a liberal be happy Donald Trump was elected? Look im not trying to be smart or give the impression im right and yall are wrong. Me and you probably have more in common than not. Im a social liberal and honestly i dont think my definition works today. I dont believe in gun control at all, abortion sucks but im not a woman, all this social justice warrior sh*t enrages me. I still believe Ross Perot should have been president, i voted for clinton, sorry bout that one but i was young and stupid. I believe our government is out of control and the wall will only increase the power and reach of an unjust and perverted federal justice system. The link you posted indicated to me you dont derive your opinions from a facebook post. ...
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@pizzaguy666 I'm gllad to hear that. If the government was ALLOWED by federal judges to ENFORCE our immigration laws, there would be less need for a wall. Sanctuary cities are not legal under federal law...but they exist...under LIBERAl control.
@pizzaguy666 All they have to do is come in through Florida and claim they're Cuban. Kennedy Gave Cubans a free pass in the 60's and no one has thought to plug that hole in the dam since. A lot of countries shoot border jumpers.
@Flickfan Maybe so except getting to cuba wouldnt be easy. Actually if a wall is built, mexicans would have to use water to get around it. But this aint about people only, who will really benifit and how.
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We don't need an expensive wal- if people want in, they will go under, over or around it. We especially don't need this monstrosity to stop Trump from having his tantrum. This time, I say let him cry until he calms down. Then he can come out of his room.
Here, is a US/Canada border town where there are gates on some side streets and potted plants along the border in others.
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@Xanthe199 If there weren't TROOPS at the borders now...THOUSANDS of ILLEGAL ALIENS would be flooding in, many of them criminals, or sick, using our welfare system, and hospitals, costing us BILLIONS of dollars every year. Those are facts. Do you have a door on YOUR hosue? What for? Why not just take it off in nice weather...and let ANYONE come in?
@bondojoe "using our welfare system"...lol..You have no idea how that works so, I would stop making yourself look silly..
@PsychoDeeDee LOL! So now you know how everyone thinks, and what they know. I think you could use the services of a mental health proffesional.
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@Xanthe199 You're still wrong. Repeating the same old nonsense doesn't cahnge things. Repetiton is not truth.
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We, as a country are suppose to be the epitome of the best. Benevolent even. When you digress into NASCAR flag waving Budweiser drinking douchebags, It's sort of the end of humanity.
Me, personally, have been waiting for that one good asteroid strike to take us all out but, you my friend, are a bitter guy, seemingly hoping for a fight that's never gonna happen.
@PsychoDeeDee I don't wave a rebel flag, and I don't drink at all...maybe that's why I can see that the fight is ALREADY going on. It's a quiet riot. You're not very perceptive.
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But why stop with a Southern wall?
Why not build a Northern wall to keep out the threat of those hostile Eskimos. And an Eastern wall in case those dodgy Greenlanders, Icelanders and not to mention those gun hating Europeans decide to get wanderlust and try to discover the country again.
And finally a Western wall, but no need to build it on the coast. Just move it east a little and you could manage to block out those vile Liberals living in California with all their arty farty ideas and drugs, and sure half of them are Mexicans anyway.
Then when all the walls are up the last thing you will need is a roof and a door. It will be Home Sweet Home for those true Americans who have pure American blood from thousands of years of living off the land of patriots and Native Americans.
God bless THAT America and good luck with your dream.
@..box.. A simple comment, from apparently a simpleton. Countries that don't have natural barriers to their borders, DO have artificial ones. We have the oceans on the west and east coast for protection, and the coast guard, and the United States Military to patrol them. If Canadians become a menace, or terrorists start coming in THROUGH the Canadian border, then a wall will be applicable there too. The air force and the Marines defend our skies. Your comment was just an attempt to look clever, and to try and make me look bad. It had no substance at all. God help you, and God Bless America.
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@bondojoe - It is actually not a simple comment and it does not come from a simpleton. Insults on this forum should be left at the wall of your house and not used in intelligent debate.
The comment was meant to highlight your isolationist viewpoints and scaremongering stance in relation to an enemy you need to invent in order to give meaning to your political agendas.
Your lesson on geography and defense systems, although true is of little use, unless you need to explain things to the Trump Junior generation.
I do not make comments here to make you and your cronies look bad. You all manage to do that without any help from the likes of me.
I can see you are scared and that Santa Trump promised you a big toy to go with the gun under your pillow so all those monsters won't invade your American Dream. But I think you may now realise that the only monster is the one making the promises and filling his pockets with tax payer's money. You have been conned and that is what scares and hurts the most.
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@..box.. Your entire comment was an attempt to insult. Your response continues that. Protecting America from terrorism is not isolationism....it is coomon sense..and our duty. It is you that is showing fear. Fear that you will be understood. President Trump is the man for the job of protecting America.....as those that express their hate for him attest.
@..box.. One is too many. But there are much more than one. www.breitbart.com/local/2015/07/... www.bing.com/search?q=girl+in+ca...
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You all support a Liar, a Criminal, A Conman, a Hateful vindictive and cruel person. What do you expect people to do and think about you when you hold such low morals and ethics. Disgraceful.
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JOE - The links you provided, although tragic do not count as terrorist acts. A quick search to find out the FBI stats on the number of illegal aliens involved in crime brings up quite a bit of interesting information and no mention of terrorism (scaremongering at its best). May I suggest a bit of light reading before going to bed tonight so that we can sing from the same hymn sheet
www.businessinsider.es/undocumen...
www.factcheck.org/2018/06/is-ill...
www.npr.org/2018/05/02/607652253...
www.washingtonpost.com/news/poli...
I only as you to read the information with an open mind and then decide if the USA is under threat from South American terrorists?
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I must say this discussion is pretty dynamic. A northern wall sounds silly but its not. Look at it this way, its not the cost of the wall and who will pay, its the government contracts and the companies that will profit from the project. As i write this i feel kinda dumb, how did Trump make his fortune, well it was given to him but he was a real estate developer. I smell something fishy, reminds me of Haleburton and Dick "head" cheney. Its not to far off to envision a terrorist crisis necessitating a northern wall.
@pizzaguy666 Since the Canadian border is not well guarded...it would make perfect sense for terrorists to enter there. No false flag is neccessary.
@pizzaguy666 Haleburton and Dick "head" Cheney are two examples of bad politicians, bad Americans, and just generally bad people. Al Gore may also be a part of that "society". I wonder how much he has made...and what his carbon footprint is? Does extreme "importance" allow extreme license?
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I must also add, mexicans are not terrorists in the "death to america" sense. But because drugs come from mexico most americans blame them for our drug related crime.
@pizzaguy666 Terror is real to the Americans that experience it. Whether it is in the "classic" or personal sense. Anyone have a discussion over the meaning of the word "Terror" should be exposed to some...in any form..and then see how they feel about it. Discussing semantics while people are killed by Illegal Aliens is for Liiberals , and fools. This statement can aso be applied to the statements by "Box". People that have killed have been terrorized. By any definition.
@bondojoe Yes your right again, not what i meant though. In fact you are forcing me to think more than i like to.
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A quick calculation based on the gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall information.
Started: 17th December 2018
Raised: $20 Million
Today: 12th January 2019
Number of days raising funds = 25 days (during the most generous time of the year)
Estimated cost of wall: $5,000 Million
$20 Million/25 days = $0.8 million per day
$5,000 Million/$0.8 million = 6,250 days
6,250 days/ 365 days = 17 years (approx) to raise the $5,000 Million necessary.
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@bondojoe As a REAL American Joe, I am sure your contribution(s) has been accepted with some rapturous celebrations by the faithful.
Fair play to them and you. Not sitting around and waiting for a handout from government.
I was just pointing out the scale of the endeavour.
Nothing more.
@bondojoe True Joe, true. No denying your point.
But let's not forget the 800,000 workers who have families to feed, and would probably like to see some compromise in the situation so they can go back to providing for their families and spending their hard earned cash in their communities, thus spreading some of the wealth around.
Keep things ticking over?
@..box.. I was listening to a radio program yesterday, and the speaker was a federal worker. About half of them are not working. He said that after the FIRST shut down, years ago...they learned to prepare for it...to save a little money, knowing that it would happen over, and over. So that now, HIM and his co workers that are affected consider this a paid holiday. They are not working...but will STILL get paid! They love it! Straight from the "horse's mouth"!
@bondojoe However, a much more worrying viewpoint is expressed in USA Today...
Worth a read if you have the time
eu.usatoday.com/story/news/polit...
Just one example from the story ...
Even before the shutdown, the number of air-controllers had dropped from a peak of 11,753 in 2012 to 10,483 in September 2018, according to the National Air Traffic Controllers Association, a union representing the workers.
“Overtime in the form of six-day weeks and 10-hour days is common at many of the nation’s busiest and most short-staffed facilities, including radar facilities in New York, Chicago, Atlanta, and Dallas,” said Paul Rinaldi, an air-traffic controller who is president of the union.
“And none of the controllers forced to work during this shutdown will see pay for their hard work to keep travelers safe until the shutdown ends,” Rinaldi said. ...
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@bondojoe But this is a different situation. It sounds a bit dangerous having those sort of conditions and not getting paid for doing the job, doesn't it?
“Overtime in the form of six-day weeks and 10-hour days is common at many of the nation’s busiest and most short-staffed facilities, including radar facilities in New York, Chicago, Atlanta, and Dallas,” said Paul Rinaldi, an air-traffic controller who is president of the union.
People would need to think twice about air safety when they are travelling, don't you think?
@..box.. You can go back to 1970...and conditions were the same. Our population has increased. Our air traffic controllers have not. Even if there was UNLIMITED money for them..there would be a shortage. People burn out quickly. It's a high stress job. Higher wages, OR getting paid on time do not make you a better Air traffic controller. If you can't handle the stress of misssing one paycheck...you probably shouldn't have thousands of people's lives in your hands.
@..box.. Obama-era FAA hiring rules placed air traffic controller diversity ahead of safety, lawyer says. I would think THAT would be the main concern! www.theblaze.com/news/2018/06/02...
@..box.. They'll be tied up in court for years with Eminent Domain challenges. So half of that 20 mil will go to the retainer fees for the attorneys. You can't even build an apartment complex for that amount.
And I think you meant to say the estimated cost is 5b but even that's incorrect. That figure is only what Trump's holding federal workers and their families hostage for. The real cost is north of 20b... as much as 80b for the 2000 mile southern border.
www.foxnews.com/opinion/trumps-b...
If he gets a win now he'll do the same thing to those workers in a few months to get more money.
@zenman1 Well then if it comes from the horses mouth, I suppose we should take their word for it?
I do think that the wrong people are suffering because of this and the two sides need to negotiate. However I don't know how well versed DT and his team are in the "Art of Negotiation".
Maybe they should start with "How to make friends and influence people" first?
Thanks for the update Zenman - I have been following your comments on the other "News Section" thread.
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Will we? Maybe not. Is one needed? Yes or some other method of stopping invaders from getting in.
@FemaleLotRfan83 A physical wall is what the border police want. Those that are keepin us safe from the drug dealers, and killers that cross over. I think we should give the experts what they want.
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It would be nice to know how many Mexicans have donated to the gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall site as I believe it was included in Mr. Trump's presidential announcement speech.
"I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me, and I’ll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great great wall on our southern border and I’ll have Mexico pay for that wall."
Sources: Donald Trump’s presidential announcement speech
Date: Monday, January 16th, 2017 at 12:32 p.m.
Nothing more - just wondering.
@bondojoe So, just to make it box simple, Trump was not suggesting that the Mexican Government would pay for the wall, he was suggesting that the legal immigrants who are buying American products and those Mexican citizens who are buying the American products are paying for the wall.
Yet we have a Government shutdown because Trump wants the American Government to give him $5,000 Million American Dollars to build a wall and not one Mexican Peso.
And 800,000 American tax payers out of work whose taxes can't be used to pay for the wall because they are not paying taxes.
Could that be right?
@bondojoe I am sorry to disappoint you but the first part is what you stated Joe previously....
"Probably a lot of Legalized Mexicans living in America donated. The ones living in Mexico are donating every time they buy American."
The second part cannot be denied because ALL of the media is reporting the story.
And part three is just commom sense.
And all of that is correct ... NO FAKE NEWS and certainly NO MISUNDERSTANDING from my SOCIALIST point of view.
All is right Joe, all is right.
@..box.. Of course it's wrong. We have a shutdown because Liberals REFUSE tom protect the American border. And Mexico IS going to pay for the wall. And it's going to cost them a lot more than it would have, had they been decent about it. WE can crush Mexico ecomonically anytime. When Trump builds the wall...they will soon be BEGGING to pay for it. There are not 800,000 people out of work. About half that. And as far as fake news...I posted SEVERAL stories today from the FAKE MEDIA...lying that the gofundme wall fund was being retuned. The bigger question is...why do you care what happens in America...and why do you support ILLEGAL ALIENS...over the people of America?
@bondojoe Because of the lies JOE.
Because the Democrats (let's call them by their real name) are NOT refusing to protect the American border. The American border has been there for Donkey's years and will be in the future.
If Mexico is going to pay for the wall, why not get them to send a bank transfer to the White House? Because it is not going to happen. They will never pay for it.
DT wants the American to pay for his toy and put his name on it as a legacy - an expensive one. Probably he has no need for a library in his name as his reading is minimal.
There is no interest from any political Party to crush Mexico. Another false claim.
We have seen how long the GOFUNDWALL will take - 17 years. Long after you and Trump and me.
And I love illegal immigrants - (please do not call them ALIENS - it dehumanises them and they are very human that are in need and running away from poverty - because I was an illegal immigrant before Spain joined the EU properly and I met a lot of good people from South America that shared my values.
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@..box.. Israel built a wall. It works great. Many countries have one. They work great. You have a house with walls. You're not even American. WE can do whatever we want to...and THIS is what we choose to do. keep our country safe. I suggest the rest of the world take care of itself. Those are not lies...those are facts. I'm an American...and I approve this message.
@bondojoe You have not even tried to debate the lies because you know what are the lies, the spin, the vote grabbing headlines for the party faithful. The lies are getting worn and getting found out. You'll need to get yourselves a new slogan because the old one (with it's mouthpiece) is being shown for what it is. Little America, with their little minds and their big mouths all wrapped up in the form of DP.
God Help America!
@bondojoe A lot of legal immigrants probably added donations. They're the ones who are forced to wait longer in line each time, an illegal alien comes into the US.
@FemaleLotRfan83 And they probably know that anyone willing to break the law to get here, will be trouble for them too!
@FemaleLotRfan83 We are talking about a great big wall. So a lot of legal immigrants are going to give Trump loving money raisers in order to erect a wall between their family and friends who have been left behind and give money so that any unfortunate "paisano" who should try to go under, through or over the wall may be executed on sight?
Are you living in cloud cuckooland?
Mexicans paying money to kill Mexicans because they are queuing longer to get to the American dream.
These are poeple, something to remember. They are not ALIENS from another planet. You really need to review some sweeping statements and other stuff you have in your head because it is not CORRECT, not correct at all.
@bondojoe Enforcing laws is one thing but encouraging the brit Crutchbender to convert this into some kind of video game like Call of Duty and then you come along with the wonderful ...
"I agree...Some land mines for those that DO manage to crawl under, or sneak accross, and we're all set!" ...
is a bit sickening Joe, don't you think?
Let's make killing people a sport for the adolescents of America - that should whip them into shape and they will be able to make America Great Again - put it right back during the massacres of the American Indians and Black slaves.
Boy, we are progressing, are't we.
@..box.. I think a wall would keep us from having to take measures like that. But if the wall didn't work...I'm in favor of stronger measures. Don't point a gun at someone, unless you can fire it. The threat of violence does no good unless that violence is carried out. Many wars have been prevented that way. Mutual guarenteed destruction has kept us from nuclear weapons for the past 60 years.
@bondojoe And it still hasn't stopped wars. There are guns at the border. There are guns everywhere in America (and Mexico). Enough guns to hurt a lot of people because it isn't only the immigrants that are going to get hurt. Just like Vietnam, Afganistan, Iraq - ordinary people fight back when attacked and soldiers, border guards, and those idiots on the drones will get killed.
@..box.. If I HAD to leave America...I would be thankful for whatever was provided to me. I would NOT make demands. I would NOT say "you have to take me. I would ASK. If they said no...I would find a country that would. EVERYONE has a country. They come to America because America has more. You don't help poor peeople by tearing down rich people. It's an absurd argument that ILLEGAL ALIENS have rights. They move into a country, and take over. Muslims now control Minnesota, and Michigan, in the United States. That's enough. If you would let someone come to your house, and put YOU out of it, and take your house over...you are too ignorant to live anyway. If you say you would do that you are a liar. Either way, it doesn't matter. EVERYONE in rural America is armed. We WILL defend our country. If you won't defend your country or your house...you are not worthy of either. ...
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@bondojoe You have a gun-toting social mentality that have little faith in government and less faith in those who are charged to protect you.
I am sure the Muslims are not taking over your cities by armed force, but in an organised legal way. That might be the way to go.
And then ther is the problem of co-habitation of so many races/nationalities/religions looking for a piece of the pie and everyone claiming to have the big G on their side. So many sides and so many big G's. And they all need tax deductions, jobs, food, entertainment and a good time too.
Your enemies are within who are pointing at those without in order to evade attention from the manipulation they are doing.
You and your friends hold the IQ number as a very important badge to distinguish yourselves from the enemy. I do not consider that some of your Presidents had above IQs (Bush Junior for one, without fear of discussion). But what should be considered more important is the Emotional Intelligence of a person. This is something for you on the right to investigate and include in your calculations and less blowing your horn about IQ. America is way down the lists of Education levels.
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@..box.. Illegal aliens or illegal invaders is the correct term. They aren't immigrants since those obey our immigration laws or migrants.
@FemaleLotRfan83 Illegal aliens or illegal invaders? You must be taking the proverbial piss to suggest that the people crossing the Mexican border are INVADING the great US of A. These are women and children. These invaders/aliens do not come wielding swords, laser guns and mindbending powers.
Just listen to yourself OUT LOUD.
@FemaleLotRfan83 Box wants you to become a Liberal...tear down the wall..take in EVERY ILLEGAL ALIEN...and give them all you have. What has HE done for anyone...America has been supporting Mexico for decades.
@bondojoe If the liberals want them so much. They can take them in and use their own money to feed them, clothe them, and with medical needs.
@FemaleLotRfan83 And dont forget FLR83 the wonderful ...
The Statue of Liberty
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
Think that was written for a reason - maybe for your ancestors? Definitely for mine.
A little more compassion is what is needed in the world.
@..box.. Mine came here legally. Also that poem was for legal immigrants and refugees.
@FemaleLotRfan83 Ach, sure I know. Everything was green cards and visas and above board in those days. No names were changed and everything was done according to the book of immigration.
Dear Lord, give me strength on this day. (another prayer for the desperate and downtrodden too)
@FemaleLotRfan83 The immigration laws and the concept of "legal" has changed over the centuries in America.
Did your ancestors come to America in the 18th Century, for example? Congress in 1790 passed the first naturalization law for the United States, the Naturalization Act of 1790. The law enabled those who had resided in the country for two years and had kept their current state of residence for a year to apply for citizenship. However it restricted naturalization to "free white persons" of "good moral character".
The "laws" were very loose (to begin with) and there was NOT paperwork necessarily involved in coming to America, and the laws have changed significantly from the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries.
To say that your ancestors came to America "legally" might have just meant, they came over, waited the specified amount of time, and fit the criteria, and applied.
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@ My ancestors still immigrated thru the FRONT DOOR,not crawl thru an open window,and hide.-My main branch came during the Revolutionary War,and were involved in it.(My grandma had all the papers ect.)I think illegal immigration NOW is the problem,not years ago.NOW we DO HAVE TO keep track of borders cuz NOW the world has become MORE DANGEROUS AGAIN.--and the nation now can't afford lots more people sneaking in,getting foodstamps,jobs from social work,and educating lots of illiterates in our schools.--NOW we can't help or use lotsa illegals.TOO MUCH COSTS,The Govt. is BROKE.We can't help all the citizens we have,now.--Plus,illegally,any foreign soldiers members,terrorists,ect, can sneak over a border.--ANYONE can come over illegally,and you won't know it,till its too late.We getmany gangs,criminals,ect.coming here illegally-I saw it in California!--we get more CRIME.CRIMINALS often cross the borders illegally,and live here.YOU WANT THEM?HAH?
@clarachan1355 I wasn't addressing any of that.
If you will kindly refer to what I did write you will see I was addressing the intent of the sonnet and supporting documentation for it.
Thanks anyways.
@..box.. Lol I didn't write the law or the sonnet so it's not me they're downvoting. Silly, silly people!
I guess this is a case of shoot the messenger.
Thankfully, those shots only tickle me.
guru
Looks like the GoFundMe to raise $5B fell short by $4.98B and will be canceled and refunded.
@SoylentBrown Yes SolentB - the maths were tricky but there was an agreement that at this rate, it will take GoFundMe 17 years (approx) to raise the money (inflation nor trade wars was not considered). Can he be pressie for that long? I wouldn't put it past him.
guru
I'm sure he would like to be President for life, but I don't think he has 17 years left. I would agree to $5B for general border security, but spread over many different areas, like hiring more agents, updating facilities, etc. A wall would be more of a symbol than an actual barrier. I think Trump is just wanting to be Ozymandias.
top expert
I didn't think this thread could get more idiotic. Crutchbeiber suggested turrets, drones, and whatnot..haha. Are you all really that scared? It's comical. I live in open carry, the rest of you nutjobs live in fantasy land.
Feel free to continue for my amusement.
master
They don't need a literal wall everywhere,but security as a wall in many places.--and where a wall is needed,make it practical.Booby-trap all the most busy crossing areas.But,yes,the president can call a state of emergency. 
Obuma forced everyone to take unwanted,BAD, unpractical health insuraNCE--AND THAT wasn't forced thru like a military coup over taxpayers?YES,IT WAS A FORCED BAD LAW.NOBODY WANTED IT.THAT was Obuma's legacy--force thru bad health insuraNCE CRAPPED ALL OVER WORK PEOPLE! 
And you think a WALL IS STUPID?"OBUMACARE" was even worse!I'll take a wall over that,any day! 
Take all the money Obumacare has, and use it to build the wall.A state of Emergency can tap funds needed for that emergency.LOOK UP THE GOVT. LAW.I BET the Prez, can attach Obumacare,and use all THAT FUND in an emergency.--to build a border wall,and install all order, guards,drones, whatever works.--all border security.
YEAH,I BET legally Trump could attach Obumacare funds,in this emergency.-it has precedence over that dept.Hah hah.Obuma and his "legacy,"hah hah.-What a scum-sucker thug! 
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master
Let the Libs whine and cry. Let them get racist, let them ban people and try to change laws in their favor, none of it changes the truth. They even think they've won, what with the Pelosi gambit.
The wall is being built.
a1r.tv/videos/view/18747
guru
Having read every comment in this thread it seems no one as yet actually from a border state has commented, though that could be an incorrect assertion and if so, my apologies, but ...
Being a 62yr old Texan whose lived my entire life here, let me share a perspective and some thoughts on the issue of illegal immigration and a wall on our southern border.
Being a native Dallasite (somewhat central Texas) I've never experienced what ranchers and farmers along our border w/Mexico commonly go through, but have read a lot about what they go through and am damned glad I don't share their shoes.
Having their land routinely trespassed upon, essentially having no real privacy even in their own homes, fences and gates being torn down, trash strewn all over their property, armed confrontations w/coyotes and other drug and human smugglers, loss of crops, livestock, family members assaulted, killed and raped, having to periodically deal with medical emergencies and even the death of illegals on their property and in general an overall lack of anything resembling safety on their own land are all too common occurrences experienced by those living in this area along the Texas-Mexico border.
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@bondojoe What I've described is really just a brief over view while there's actually far more to the story.
Personally, I get really tired of people spouting all the "there is no crisis" stuff when they typically live hundreds and hundreds of miles from where the crisis takes place and then act as if their 2 cents are all important and factual because they heard it spewed in the agendized media or parroted by their favorite talking head in congress. Grrr!
@..box.. Thanks! It seemed like a perspective from anyone who actually had 1st hand knowledge of some of the aspects of our illegal immigration issues was absent from this conversation, though there was precious little absent from those making claims of how thoroughly they understood all the issues involved any way, which really hits a sore place for me.
guru
If I had my druthers and was the one making the call on what to do regarding our current state of affairs on the border, immigration and the asylum seekers I'd lock down the border as best as possible and shut down all further immigration until the current case backlog of visa/immigration/asylum cases were completely adjudicated.
Then and only then could we revisit the concept of immigration reform.
If we allowed in any and everyone who wants to be here, regardless of whether they actually want to be an American or not, the line would stretch 1/2 way around the globe. People can say "we need to show more compassion" to the immigrant communities all they want but what about taking care of our own people 1st?
How compassionate are we when we have vets committing suicide every day simply because they can't get the care they deserve and need? How compassionate are we when we have literally millions of homeless people living on the streets living in boxes in alleys, parks and eatin outta trash cans cans and dumpsters? How compassionate are we when we have seniors livin on dog food, dying from hypothermia in the cold and the heat? How compassionate are we really when we ignore these issues our own citizens go through, yet are told we need to focus more on the ills and welfare of people who don't even have a legal right to be in this country?
@mrkim56 To me it's really simple. You have laws...you enforce them. Liberals are all liars. How many of them have opened their homes to immigrants? 1%? I doubt it is that high. No one lets anyone inside their house until they know what kind of person they are. They SURE don't open the door, and welcome EVERYONE in!
senior master
It seems that the international focus has been on the immigrants where the real focus should be on the needy within. A fair point which needs to be explained to the liberals and the left as the last we saw of provisions towards the needy was during hurricanr Katrina (talking as a foreigner as usual).
@..box.. Sadly tryin to talk sensibly to libs is akin to picking a fight with a wood post ... nothing of any consequence is likely to come of it.
Some statistical data that always seems so very telling is how libs, who are always so quick to demand how our tax dollars must always be directed towards helping the down trodden of the rest of the world and how we conservatives are so insensitive to their plight, yet statistics constantly bear out that conservatives consistently donate more to charities with our own (post-tax) money, which they do not, but are always hot on the prospect of using other peoples tax $$ to fund/pay their ideas/ideology ... all while claiming to be themselves the most caring sector of society.
Sorry, but their chest pounding and actions just seemingly don't really square with one another, yakno?
top expert
I completely fail to understand what the appeal of a border wall is. Ignoring the politics of who it's supposed to keep out, think of it like a prison fence, in a prison where the prisoners have free access to tools like shovels and ladders not to mention airplanes. What keeps the prisoners in a normal prison is the guards making sure nobody's climbing over the fence, so unless this border wall is to be continuously guarded throughout its length, it's just an inconvenience to be gone over or under. If you're going to place guards all down the border anyway, why spend the billions? Maybe it's because I'm Canadian, living north of the world's longest unprotected border but I can't help but think that building the world's second 'great wall' seems like a fool's errand.
@crake You can read the stats about the crime, drugs, and disease coming over our border. There will need to be surveilance, but with the wall, not nearly as much. Make them come through a checkpoint...make everyone obey the law, and be vetted. If you have no enforced border...you have no country. Canada will soon need border enforcement... where access is available. The same people that are coming here...wil come there.
@crake Ok, let's look at this in a slightly different light. No one, not even President Trump is asking, nor intending to build a 2000 mile long wall across the southern border. Instead, what's planned is a border wall in those places where it's been well established that a wall would be an effective deterrent, coupled with drone surveillance, ground sensors and actual manpower on the ground in other areas to best insure an overall effective border protection strategy is in place.
To your last point, perhaps the fact you Canooks can indeed have the longest unprotected border on earth is because we Americans, unlike OUR southern neighbors aren't seeking to overrun YOUR country and drain it dry of its generous resources.
I mean if your southern neighbor was say, North Korea, Syria or even Mexico and you cats had to deal with hordes of people trying to stream illegally across an unprotected border I do hafta wonder how different your thoughts might then be?
guru
Seemed relevant to add here so I copied the following:
Just read a comment on another friends post and the comment said, “Where’s the fire?”...as in reference to building the wall/more technology on the border states.
Let me tell you where the fire is: The “fire” is finding dead bodies on your ranch, the “fire” is finding domestic pig ears in your drinkers when there isn’t a domestic pig for 25 miles, the “fire” is waking up to unknown people talking in your attic, the “fire” is dogs barking all night when your closest neighbor is 7-25 miles depending on the direction to just realize there are people outside your barn, the “fire” is having to come home after dark and have to carry a rifle to go feed your livestock after BP tells you that they only caught 9 of the 15 they are looking for. The “fire” is making a choice...do I take my child with me to a dark barn to feed and hold the flashlight or lock him in the house, so you lock him in the house and call a friend to let them know he’s home alone and if they don’t hear back from me to come check on us. The “fire” is you don’t feel comfortable letting your child play outside without being in eyeshot of them. The “fire” is having large drug busts on your ranch. The “fire” is feeling sick to your stomach every time the helicopter swirls your house because you know they are chasing people because you can hear them on the speaker talking to them. The “fire” is seeing the BP camera set-up 1/2 mile from your house. The “fire” is coming home after dark...your children are driving in front of you as one is of age to drive, and there are officers on your road watching illegals 1/4-1/2 mile from your house and you have to call your children and tell them to keep driving, don’t stop at the house. The “fire” is coming home to your backdoor wide open.
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Will the gofundme page shame the Liberals into acting? Will the RINO'S act like real Republicans? Will we get a border wall to keep out ILLEGAL ALIENS? And if you don't want one...Why not? No country is secure, if they cannot control their borders. If you DON'T want security...you are an enemy of the United States..whether you live here or not. The Liberals wanted one...until Trump became President...now they oppose one...put our country at risk..simply because of HATE. Hate for Trump... www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-5tu-Jy... www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlfOPvUA...